DMT dreams

[mysterium-tremendu]

I have been using DMT, ayahuasca analogues, and other substituted tryptamines for years now.

One phenomenon I have noticed is that my dreams have been permanently effected.

When I would die in a dream I used to wake up, now when I die in a dream I'm thrown into a DMT flash that is indistinguishable from smoked DMT in real life.

Sometimes I'll be in the middle of a dream and I'll be thrown into a DMT flash for no reason.

These dream DMT flashes are just as intense and overwhelming as DMT in real life. Though I'm not bothered by these events, I even considered learning lucid dreaming so I could induce them intentionally.

I was wondering how common these type of experiences were with DMT users. They speculate that DMT plays a role in dreaming, maybe that's what's going on here, regardless is it an interesting phenomenon, and if it is at all common maybe it deserves to be looked into or at least discussed.

 

[benzyme]

i've had 'pcp dreams', reflecting my pcp experiences...does that mean pcp has a role in dreaming?

"..but dmt is a natural human metabolite.."

so are ethanol and methanol. do you have dreams of being drunk and blind?
perhaps dreams are indexed/reinterpreted memories. seems more plausible, being that acetylcholine has a well-documented role in dreaming.

 

[Ufostrahlen]

Cannabis plants are a frequent theme in my dreams. I once dreamt of fractals induced by peyote. Both plants don't contain human neurotransmitters, but have a strong effect on human receptors. That's probably why we dream of these things.

In one dream I had a conversation with a police officer, who wanted to bust me due to amphetamines. I told him in a very powerful way that his arrest has no legal basis, as in my jurisdiction plenty of legal amphetamines are available and I don't conduct illegal businesses. I guess at that time I researched amphetamine analogs and my brain needed to process the information.

 

[mysterium-tremendu]

Terence mckenna is the only other person I have heard talk about this phenomenon. Only in his dreams "someone shows up with a little glass pipe"

I get the feeling that I'm misunderstood or perhaps my point was missed.

It's not just dreaming about the compound, it's experiencing it. What I'm talking about is far different from dreaming about compounds. Plus I'm NOT dreaming about using DMT in these dreams, I'm dreaming about death and experiencing a DMT flash indistinguishable from smoked DMT.

When I dream about weed it does not feel that I'm experiencing it just as in real life.

This is not recall of past experiences either. It's a genuine DMT flash full of new information and feelings not present in past DMT experiences.

I speculated that endogenous DMT May have played a role because of the experience being so much like smoked DMT that it was impossible to tell the difference (if I was experiencing being drunk in my dreams in a manor indistinguishable from real life drunkenness I would look into endogenous ethanol, however this is not the case, plus that's absurd, NOBODY claims endogenous alcohols play a role in dreaming, many claim that DMT does)

 

[benzyme]

the DMT-dream hypothesis is just that... claims with little basis. I've also had vivid dreams about lsd experiences, last I checked, lsd doesn't have a role in dreaming.

 

[mysterium-tremendu]

Your missing the point, I really don't care if endogenous DMT plays a role in dreaming.

I was attempting to see how common the phenomenon is in DMT users, and then perhaps discuss it with those who have had the experience.

You can claim a phenomenon is not real because the only evidence is anecdotal, but that doesn't change the fact that the phenomenon occurs, and in the spirit of an explorer I'm willing to travel down every road with an open mind, and at least attempt to look into or at least discuss said phenomenon(s)

I spend a lot of time discussing DMT entities, the only evidence of these beings is anecdotal and they can only be experienced in an individual context, does this mean these things are not worth discussing?

I'll admit I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, so I'm willing to discuss things that science is not able to wrap up in a pretty little package.

 

[benzyme]

indeed.

sorry if I misunderstood you. it is intriguing to ponder and speculate, some people seem to take those claims
and run with them. some of the comments on youtoob reflect that. luckily, the nexus is of a well-informed pedigree, that actively
engages in critical-thinking.

but yea..dreams can be stupefying, no doubt

 

[The Hermit]

I've always been subject to intermittent incredibly crisp dreams, since early childhood. Though widespread I can usually remember these with crystal clarity for between months and years at a time (I have two recurring dreams from ages 4 - 5 that I still remember to this day.) I also have 'regular' dreams that are all but gone on waking, much of the time.

Point being, I have particularly crazy and/or memorable dreams, relatively often. I've noticed after a changa session that my dreams will go exceptionally manic / disturbing for the next week or so, but not necessarily in a psychedelic sense. However, it's noticeable given that I'm not unfamiliar with crazy, these veer more to the batshit side of mad.

Never thought too much about it, it always just seemed to me after a night of intense, ineffable neural stimulation weird dreams were simply the norm.

 

[trncefigurate_aomn]

This is very good to hear!

I would think that in some ancient, middle period and also present day uses of DMT medicine forms, this might have even been part of what was understood to happen, to be able to teach the dreaming consciousness to organize and self-enhance in the ways that it does with the administration of a medicine form.

At the very least, this seems to have happened with you!

Regarding ideas of connection between DMT and dream consciousness, it is worth remembering that every DMT molecule has some population of quark particles as well as many electrons, both of which are very radical states of matter. Each individual molecule is also a complex nexus, as it were, of many novel quantum phenomena.

Slightly older views on the smallest components of matter were that consciousness was still present at those layers. If molecules including DMT are actually intelligent, perhaps profoundly so, regardless of what this would add to proof about interactions with dreaming, the possibility seems quite welcoming!

 

[332211]

my dreams have gotten more vivid too, but i never had a "dmt-flash" in my dreams so far. but i did not have contact with it for about one month.

be careful. the entities you can meet may be as opportunistic as any other life form out there.

 

[Pile of cats]

I recently experienced a incredibly vivid dmt experience during dream that continued for a minute or so after waking, I experienced becoming 1 with a divine light and then being given birth to by a godess. The whole experience visually looked exactly like a deep dmt experience and it felt like one too.

I don't think dmt is responsible for this happening as I don't think deeper dmt experiences are a product of dmt rather dmt is a means of tuning in.

I've actually had many of these dmt flashes which usually happen when I'm close to waking, sometimes I've been able to keep myself in this space after waking up until I decide to leave.

Would be interesting to hear from more who've experienced these.

 

[universecannon]

I've been having psychedelic dreams since as long as I can remember. My first merger with hyperspace happened in a dream (right after smoking weed for the first time) long before hearing about DMT. Psychedelics seem to have just made them weirder. As far as the neuro-chem involved, I think people are too hyperfocused on DMT. I think there is probably a whole raft of strange endogenous beta-carbolines (like pinoline and others), tryptamines, and so on involved. I have no idea, but to me it is rarely like a pure smoked DMT experience anyways.

 

[DeltaSpice]

I'd never heard that before."DMT (naturally occurring )might play a role with dreaming",but that makes a lot of sense to me, because smoalking has effected my dreams big time.
I used to have a lot of respect for my dreams, reoccurring, lucid and so on.
Now, since spice, my dreams are just vivid random junk, I wish I could turn them off. However if that's the price I pay for spice then I'd pay it ten fold.
DMT is the stuff that dreams are made of, literally.

 

[Nereus]

Yes, happens to me on occasion too. Thing is i kind of enjoy it. I get flashes even if I dose harmalas before bed. They happen during deep sleep and sometime during the time i firstly open my eyes after waking up.At times i just stay there for the minute and enjoy the vision.I find it quite nice actually as i don't get the chance to enter hyperspace that often.What comes natural, also free, it is welcomed