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DMT fumarate and health

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well fumaric acid can be a food additive..and all dmt fumarate is...is two dmt molecules and one fumaric acid molecule joined together..i cant see why it wouldnt be healthy...SWIM tells me it FEELS healthy;)
 
I read Rick Strassman's book. During the trials he was administering it intravenously as a salt, not freebase. He doesn't mention which salt, but I'm assuming fumurate, as it's stable. He administered somewhere around 400 doses with no related health concerns in the patients.
 
Thanks for replying Jorkest. Little changes in molecules can be bad for you, so as a non-chemist Foaf is cautious. For example, while fumaric acid is a food additive, fumaric acid esters in psoriasis supplements has side effects:

http://psoriasis-help.org.uk/Psoriasis_Treatments/Systemic_Treatments/FUMARIC_ACID_ESTERS.html said:
Reported side effects at trial level include gastrointestinal problems including nausea, cramps and diarrhea. Many reported flushing of the skin... The most serious side effects are kidney disturbance and reduced function and white blood cell abnormality. It is therefore vital that monthly monitoring by blood test is done by a doctor to check the kidneys function and full blood count.
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This is just intended as a topical example, Foaf isn't concerned about using free fumaric acid, he wants confirmation that DMT fumarate is safe, because if it is he'll start snorting that or using sublingually rather than smoking freebase DMT (incidentally I bet some people will be buying fumaric acid esters by mistake instead of free fumaric acid... which might mess up their FASA?)
 
Tribal said:
I read Rick Strassman's book. During the trials he was administering it intravenously as a salt, not freebase. He doesn't mention which salt, but I'm assuming fumurate, as it's stable. He administered somewhere around 400 doses with no related health concerns in the patients.
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This is promising information, thank you. Keep it coming! :)
 
In fact, I remember reading in another post in this forum somewhere that fumerate is the only form of DMT that has been approved by the FDA or something like that. Strassman did have to get DEA and FDA approval before he could do the trials. It's kind of amazing in itself that he actually got approval for testing of a schedule 1 through all the barriers.
 
haha yeah..it only took him two years to do it too!

he also got funding from the Masons. read that in Inner Paths
 
it might be too water soluble..or something..maybe not water soluble..but it might not crystalize like dmt fumarate does
 
so, SWIM asked Mr. Rick abt any bad effects of smoking freebase DMT, so he said

I don't know anything about real medical data concerning effects of smoked DMT on the respiratory system. But, it must not be a very good effect! Very irritating. That's one of the reasons we used the intravenous route in our studies. Snorting I think would be better than smoking, but isn't quite as rapid an onset, and the free base is ineffective when smoked - *****the DMT needs to be in a water-soluble salt form, such as the fumarate (which we used)******.

I have seen DMT free base boil in glass pipes, when people vaporize it to inhale it. It is difficult to control the temperature, and often times it begins to burn, which adds even more duress to the smoking process. I am not a chemist, so can't really comment on if vaporizing DMT first would be a means of purifying it. I would imagine you would need to have great control over the exact temperature, so only the DMT is vaporized off, then collected.
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SWIM recalls him mentioning in a radio interview that he would like to do studies with the effects of smoking the freebase, since it induces a much more rapid onset than intravenous.

SWIM wouldn't recommend insuffulation. SWIM even tends to seek out any excuse to put a substance up his nose but has yet only found one substance well-suited for that.

Whatever happened to the sublingual DMSO/DMT-Fumarate idea?
 
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