rayustsolaris
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Does anyone know if the DMT Handbook tek could be done with chaliponga? Or has tried it?
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DMT handbook and chaliponga extract question
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DMT handbook? tek? never heard of it..
but a normal A/B, salting the solvent with vinegar, evaporating and cleaning once works for me for chaliponga.
but a normal A/B, salting the solvent with vinegar, evaporating and cleaning once works for me for chaliponga.
rayustsolaris
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The DMT Handbook tek is listed here as one of the A/B teks: The DMT Handbook - DMT-Nexus Wiki
This is the DMT Handbook (attributed to Viracocha): http://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/DMT_Handbook.pdf
I'm wondering if I should use the chemicals in the DMT Handbook, or if there are better chemicals or easier ways of doing it. It's a first extract for me.
This is the DMT Handbook (attributed to Viracocha): http://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/DMT_Handbook.pdf
I'm wondering if I should use the chemicals in the DMT Handbook, or if there are better chemicals or easier ways of doing it. It's a first extract for me.
Gone-and-Back
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I use Chaliponga for all my extractions. I have done both simple STB procedures and just did my first A/B procedure on it.
The way I went about it was to do the boilings in acidified water that was made to a pH of 4 with lemon juice. After three boilings of two hours each and reducing all the boils, I poured it all into a jug and added about 100-150 ml of naphtha for a defat. It needs to be placed in a heat bath though because it does not separate very well before adding the lye to freebase it. (I have been told that using sunflower oil would be a better choice for the defat, it wont form emulsions as easily).
After taking off the NPS, I proceeded to add super saturated salt water to the mix, (thanks for finding that miracle out Cyb), and added enough lye to bring the pH up between 12-14. Proceeded to do pulls with NPS to extract the goodies.
Evapped everything to produce some nice waxy crystals. First time I have gotten anything resembling crystals. They turned out to be a light tan color, with some white spots throughout it and some yellow spots. Much better compared to my STB stuff that only yielded an orange oily wax type substance that never could be dried far enough to become a powder. Made dosing difficult.
Anyways, it gave a 2% yield, and I can tell its pretty pure by how far I have gone with as little as 25mg placed into a bong ontop of some herbs. I know I am burning some of it but yet it still has very strong effects even at 25mg.
So give an A/B procedure a go. Look around at all the teks on the Wiki, and read them thoroughly. Most are not done with leaf material, but that doesn't mean you can not use leaf material. Leaf material just requires more of a defat. Read everything, and decide which is best for you based on what items you have at your availability to do an extraction. Even take parts from one tek and use them along with parts from another if you want.
I do recommend looking into Cyb's salt tek and the max ion tek. Using the methods talked about in those along with any other tek out there will increase your yield greatly.
Let us know how it goes
The way I went about it was to do the boilings in acidified water that was made to a pH of 4 with lemon juice. After three boilings of two hours each and reducing all the boils, I poured it all into a jug and added about 100-150 ml of naphtha for a defat. It needs to be placed in a heat bath though because it does not separate very well before adding the lye to freebase it. (I have been told that using sunflower oil would be a better choice for the defat, it wont form emulsions as easily).
After taking off the NPS, I proceeded to add super saturated salt water to the mix, (thanks for finding that miracle out Cyb), and added enough lye to bring the pH up between 12-14. Proceeded to do pulls with NPS to extract the goodies.
Evapped everything to produce some nice waxy crystals. First time I have gotten anything resembling crystals. They turned out to be a light tan color, with some white spots throughout it and some yellow spots. Much better compared to my STB stuff that only yielded an orange oily wax type substance that never could be dried far enough to become a powder. Made dosing difficult.
Anyways, it gave a 2% yield, and I can tell its pretty pure by how far I have gone with as little as 25mg placed into a bong ontop of some herbs. I know I am burning some of it but yet it still has very strong effects even at 25mg.
So give an A/B procedure a go. Look around at all the teks on the Wiki, and read them thoroughly. Most are not done with leaf material, but that doesn't mean you can not use leaf material. Leaf material just requires more of a defat. Read everything, and decide which is best for you based on what items you have at your availability to do an extraction. Even take parts from one tek and use them along with parts from another if you want.
I do recommend looking into Cyb's salt tek and the max ion tek. Using the methods talked about in those along with any other tek out there will increase your yield greatly.
Let us know how it goes
rayustsolaris
Rising Star
How much do you break down the chaliponga before treating it with chemicals? Do you use a blender or coffee grinder?
Don't break down leaves before extracting as you will just increase the amount of plant gunk you have to deal with. Alkaloids migrate out of whole dried leaves very easily so just stick to brewing whole leaves I'd say.
The lextek works well for Chacruna leaf so could work for chaliponga too. There is more info in this thread about using the lextek on Chacruna.
The lextek works well for Chacruna leaf so could work for chaliponga too. There is more info in this thread about using the lextek on Chacruna.
I did an A/B, using olive oil to pull and salted with vinegar water..evaporated the acetates and cleaned them up with a sodium carb base and iso pull. Worked for me.
rayustsolaris
Rising Star
What kind of container do you use to mix the leaves and chemicals in? In my case it would be 55g of leaves.
Gone-and-Back
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rahlii said:
This is nice to know, for I have always finely blended the leaves in a blender with water before boiling. I shall not do this next time.
Jamie, you do your pulls with olive oil? How does that work? I had no idea that olive oil could be used as a solvent for anything. This would be very nice to do though to cut back on the chemicals and do something a little more eco-friendly. Does the olive oil work just as well as naphtha, or is more needed per pull?
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