DMT + MXE

[gory dkalz]

Has anyone tried this combo? I tried it last night for the first time and greatly
enjoyed it. I had my first real breakthrough in which I was in a neon light casino
filled with people pretty much ignoring me and a humanoid looking robot was just
looking down at me not saying or doing anything.

But I found it was much easier to blast off with MXEin my system. I didn't
have that excited nervousness I get before taking DMT sober. And I seemed to be eased
into hyperspace instead of the aggression propulsion I'm used to. It's like comparing
doing a cannonball into a pool and stepping in a little bit at a time. Definitely a
wonderful synergy between these two.

Anyone else have any similar experiences?

 

[rOm]

Never did these two together. However a proper dmt breakthrough is different than the ones you can find with mxe.
So sure you alleviate anxiety but if you still seek the real dmt breakthrough add nothing except harmalas.
So you'll know.
you can have pretty strong visuals and all with mxe so you won't know which one is what if you keep mixing them for the ease of your mind.
I know some peeps gave good reviews of this combo. the one that really like these dissociatives.
be safe, and have some nice diving into hyperspace !

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

It is a popular and well-loved combo for sure. Most of the disso's give that fuzzy security blanket and do wonders for pre-flight anxiety.

They also tend to give some distance from the experience which can keep the entities from completely overwhelming you. The combo will never eclipse ayahuasca, but it certainly has its place.

SWIM finds it almost as amazing as DXM and DMT.

If you search these forums for MXE & DMT (or dissociatives) you should find a number of threads discussing this in greater depth.

Blessings.

 

[۩]

MXE: Your cheap chinese alternative to dissociated delusions.

 

[rOm]

MXE: Your cheap chinese alternative to dissociated delusions.

Hahaha actually it's quite right. Plus nothing makes you stink more from perspiration than this drug.
Please be careful. It's easy for some poeple to abuse it as you mentionned, to alleviate some fear of pain... but it's not gonna help you at the end.

 

[Maximark]

Every time I've combined MXE and any psychedelic (gonna try the DMT+MXE combo soon) it just makes everything make approximately 1% as logical and understandable as it is without MXE. Seems like a DMT+MXE exp would result in an inability to actually comprehend anything valuable, at least for me. I'm curious how this goes, though.

 

[Mindlusion]

Never did these two together. However a proper dmt breakthrough is different than the ones you can find with mxe.
So sure you alleviate anxiety but if you still seek the real dmt breakthrough add nothing except harmalas.
So you'll know.
you can have pretty strong visuals and all with mxe so you won't know which one is what if you keep mixing them for the ease of your mind.
I know some peeps gave good reviews of this combo. the one that really like these dissociatives.
be safe, and have some nice diving into hyperspace !

Indeed, a breakthrough on DMT while sober is much different then even on a low dose of dissociatives.
But I know what you mean finding it easier to smoke while dissociated... :twisted: on those nights I tend to go through more DMT then i normally would in months.

The experience with a dissociative, nonetheless, is amazing. but I cannot compare it to a DMT breakthrough while sober, they are extremely different.

I could probably say I enjoy MXE+DMT more then a DMT breakthrough sober. I could definitely say that, a DMT breakthrough experience while sober is always incredibly earth shattering and ego destroying. Dissociatives tend to block out all that ego destruction.

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also, I'd like to mention I have definitely taken valuable things back from dissociative + DMT combinations. One of the nice things about DMT during even heavy dissociation, is that the experience can be extremely powerful, it really shows you something you'll never forget, allowing you to bring back quite vivid memories of the dissociated land, that otherwise would have been forgotten.

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ragabr is right, dissociatives seem to mesh extremely well with all tryptamines. 8)

 

[ragabr]

SWIM loves DMT and MXE together, definitely agree with Mindlusion regarding it helping bring back even richer memories from hyperspace. Also, MXE and mushrooms are extremely special, especially with DMT at the peak.

 

[rOm]

SWIM loves DMT and MXE together, definitely agree with Mindlusion regarding it helping bring back even richer memories from hyperspace. Also, MXE and mushrooms are extremely special, especially with DMT at the peak.

My favorite is MXE with mushroom and cacti, with a good pipe of salvinorin A and 5MeO-DMT, Bufotenin and N,N-DMT enhanced changa and a few kambo vaccines after a spoonful of iboga.

How far in combos could we go ?
No seriously, as far as these disso goes, it's true that a little tryptamines twist is bringing a lot of meaning, which dissociatives (synthetics one, not salvia, iboga or amanitas) lack after a few times.
It just point out that tryptamines are more complete experience, don't you think ?

Remember that all these synthetic dissociative if approach should only be VERY occasionnal.
Overdoing them is quite easy and binge is only giving you lamer and lamer effects.

Just my opinion on the thing.

 

[soulfood]

Has anyone else found that sweet spot which occurs smoking DMT 1-2 hours after the main MXE effects have worn off?

I haven't used MXE for about 6 months now and most likely never will again, but on two occasions this strange synergy occurred and it's absolutely bonkers.

I inhale the DMT, then over the next 1-2 minutes the effects come on very slowly and the whole thing is very real. I've found myself shouting at entity's out loud when in that headspace.

Somewhere along the way, MXE may become something else which alters the DMT experience very similar to how an RIMA like harmine does, in that it alters duration and slows down the onset, but reeeeally slows it down to the point that when it does come on you're really not expecting it.

Imagine swatting entity's like they were flies!

When I smoke DMT at the peak of an MXE session, my experience matches what others have said in terms of anxiety reduction, but under these other conditions the fear is even greater as the whole thing looks, feels and tastes far too real.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Has anyone else found that sweet spot which occurs smoking DMT 1-2 hours after the main MXE effects have worn off?

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When I smoke DMT at the peak of an MXE session, my experience matches what others have said in terms of anxiety reduction, but under these other conditions the fear is even greater as the whole thing looks, feels and tastes far too real.

Sure, swim finds that the slow slide back down is the ideal vape time. When actually peaking on dissos, there is no need for more than micro puffs... especially if we are talking high doses. Low doses actually set up major vapes nicely, though.

Anyway, as for being too real... the realer the better, IMHO.

I know what you mean, though. There is a serious reduction in the cartoony-ness, and a massive increase in the experience's connection to "real world" subject matter and visuals. A kind of distance from hyperspace, almost like observing it from inside a soap bubble.

 

[ragabr]

Thank you for pointing to the risks of compulsive use, rOm.

While I understand what you were getting at with your joke, I don't really see how my post was significantly different from people suggesting harmalas before mushrooms and then smoking at the peak, in terms of wild combinations.

I don't go in for claims that one class of compounds provides a "more complete" experience than others, and certainly don't agree with the synthetic/natural divide. We have Lilly's preference for NMDA-antagonists, and the Shulgin's preference for phenylethylamines to traditional tryptamines to show that this has nothing to do with lack of experience either. SWIM has had ketamine experiences that rivaled any of tryptamine experiences in depth and effect on her life. She also finds that dissociatives combined with tryptamines open spaces that neither could reach alone.

@soulfood, SWIM knows exactly what you're talking about, and it's utterly astounding.

 

[All Hail HypnoToad]

I tried this combo on Christmas...OMG!!! I took about 150mg of MXE and waited 1 hour till I was peaking then smoked a healthy dose of DMT!!! I had the most intense experience ever!! It is so hard to explain, it felt like I took leviathan and wrestled it to the ground!! I feel like I reset the universe in my favor. I loved this combo..

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I know how you feel HypnoToad.

I was a major fan of MXE for a while there, but have since decided to give it up... probably for good. It is too easy to lose yourself in it. It is that rare disso that is actually addictive. (it actually pings the dopamine receptors in addition to the usual suspects) Tolerance can build fairly quickly and the experience is so easy that it becomes rather dangerous.

One can easily get into regular MXE use at doses that boggle the mind compared to the first few times you try it. Like most addictive drugs, you are left chasing a high that you never quite get anymore, while you become dependent on the state.

I am not saying people shouldn't do MXE. I think that it is a very cool drug, certainly one of the best RCs. It is a nearly ideal introduction to some heavy states for people who would not be able to handle a psychedelic or entheogen. The problem lies in the fact that it is not harmless. At high doses done regularly, it will dehydrate the hell out of you, and eventually begin to mess with your kidneys and bladder. It may even be as bad as ketamine this way.

The other danger--maybe even worse for me--was that you become dissociated to a profound degree as your basic state. You never quite come down from it. What people call the afterglow, is just being high for a long ass time. Which is nice and warm and fuzzy and all that... but eventually you get away from yourself. You begin to lose your connections to this reality. Friendships can suffer, personal hygiene, exercise regimens, and the scary part is that you don't notice it. Even when it is brought to your attention, you are so far away that you may not care. It is very easy to find yourself preferring your dissociated world with its cosmic importance and vast, empowering magic to your mundane life.

Just thinking about it brings back the feeling for me. Only now, I think "What the hell was I thinking?" Hehehehe.

Anyway man. All the best to you. MXE & DMT is a pretty wicked combo. Dissos & DMT in general are. As I said earlier in this 2.5 year old thread... DXM & DMT is a doozy and a half. DXM is still my favorite disso because it goes the deepest... and you absolutely can't get in the habit of doing it too often. It is not so easy that you would think about it like some kind of mystic supplement. But it is also not without its worrisome aspects.

Whatever you do. Drink LOTS of water.

HSF

 

[Entheogenerator]

DXM is still my favorite disso because it goes the deepest... and you absolutely can't get in the habit of doing it too often. It is not so easy that you would think about it like some kind of mystic supplement. But it is also not without its worrisome aspects.

Tell that to the folks over at The Dextroverse... I used to frequent that forum and there are many people over there who take high-dose DXM daily. That just seems extremely unpleasant to me...

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I suppose you can abuse anything if you put your mind to it. DXM is just much harder than MXE.

Everyone is built differently, so who knows how the experience is for other people. Many people can't even safely do DXM at all because of insufficient liver enzyme function.

All I can say is that DXM doesn't ping the dopamine receptors like MXE, so it is far less likely to become a serious addiction. Besides, you are really spent the day after a 3rd plateau. You may be able to back to back once, but you are unlikely to wanna do much more than sleep after that. Whereas MXE can get you taking it for a week straight before you even think... what the hell am I doing?

Anyway... be safe people. Watch your hydration.