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Btw, for those who can't acces the article, wikipedia's page on psymposia links to it as well and that's how i got there. It's the first source on the wikipedia page, listed as 1 in the list of sources. You can't miss it.
 
Well, dude, you can't ignore what's real. I don't think the cops are lying but it's the media that's talking trash. Yeah, the cops rock those chemical suits 'cause of fentanyl just a tiny bit can take someone out if they breathe it in by accident. It's super sketchy, and you're totally underestimating the risks the cops are dealing with too
Iirc, there was a guy in Florida who got busted eith mimosa and they tried to count the entire plant weight as DMT.

It's not possible to have a productive discussion when so many of your claims don't match reality and the others simply can't be verified or fact checked because they're essentially hearsay (typeseen?) from other people or supposedly deleted threads (or made up based on your imagining how things might go, as you said earlier).
I commend you here on your approach (I wasn't there so I'm not taking sides).
However, as mentioned before, they don't seem to want you to have the technicals, even after they've been subtly and explicitly asked for.
However, there have been witnesses, including myself, to some of the claims made in the OP.

This was interesting to wake up to 🤣
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At this moment i feel like it's best to just bury the hatchet.
Preferably into the head of Snozzleberry? (joke, i am not advocating violence to another forum member or anyone else).

I remember being involved with quite a few discussions involving the legitamacy of violence with the Snozzmeister. As he is not here to give his point of view, this post from this thread may give newer members an insight into what his ideology was 12 years ago and may still be.. Post number 50 in this thread....

 
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Preferably into the head of Snozzleberry? (joke, i am not advocating violence to another forum member or anyone else).

I remember being involved with quite a few discussions involving the legitamacy of violence with the Snozzmeister. As he is not here to give his point of view this post from this thread may give newer members an insight into what his ideology was 12 years ago and may still be.. Post number 50 in this thread....

I personally don't see "advocating violence" as such a horrifying thing that must immediately disqualify someone. If it were so, most people with mainstream political ideas would be immediately disqualified, as the State is based on violence, both against sectors of its own population and other populations (this is not intended as a comment on the legitimacy or lack of legitimacy of the State and its violence). A different issue is actually acting out that violence in an unprovoked way or defaming someone.
 
I personally don't see "advocating violence" as such a horrifying thing that must immediately disqualify someone.
I'm on the fence as far as the violence thing goes and my linking of the old thread is not meant to diss or disqualify Snozzleberry or his views. It is just to give an example of his views from the horses mouth, so to speak.
 
Jesus I sorta remember those threads. I was way more angry back then. I remember even more clearly though discussions around eco terrorism and tree spikes.

Can’t say my feelings have entirely changed, but I don’t see violence as an answer. Without it we might not have unions, still have slavery in the west etc.
 
The remnants of refreed gladiator sports should be all that is there to appease and please the crowd of the vicariousers that have to live.
 
Jesus I sorta remember those threads. I was way more angry back then. I remember even more clearly though discussions around eco terrorism and tree spikes.

Can’t say my feelings have entirely changed, but I don’t see violence as an answer. Without it we might not have unions, still have slavery in the west etc.
I couldn't remember who Adam Kokesh was. When i first saw the old thread title, i was getting him confused with David koresh...
 
But it does. I even quoted the article in the opening post, remember. "members have become feared....."
It also mentions false claims.
This is incorrect.

The article states:

"Despite Psymposia’s modest resources, its members have become feared for their ability to use social media to damage reputations and careers, according to more than four dozen academic researchers, clinicians, industry executives, mental health advocates and former Psymposia members who were interviewed for this article."

It says nothing about false claims. That appears to be your projection.

Consider the cases of Francoise Bourzat and Aharon Grossbard and CCM:


No doubt their reputations and careers were significantly damaged. But the reason is not due to false claims, it's because they engaged in the types of behaviors that result in reputation and career damage, and then those behaviors were publicized.

The same could probably be said for the various people involved in the practitioner related deaths covered in the Power Trip podcast:


From my perspective, the fact that careers and reputations are damaged when ugly truths come to light is not news, nor is it particularly surprising. People who've done dirt don't like when that dirt is exposed, but the issue isn't the exposé, it's the dirt.

It also doesn't say that 48 people experienced this, just that 48 people claimed they feel ways about other people's social media engagement. That's not investigative journalism, it's a non-randomized anonymous poll of some people's feelings (given both reporters' on record sentiments, I think we can safely assume that a statistician would likely find the sample to be biased, but that's an assumption).

Beyond this, James Kent has a Dose Nation podcast from years ago that discussed some of the other people mentioned in the article. You'll notice that with regards to those cases the NYT explicitly does not say that any of the claims made about those people were false. Again, that appears to be your projection. Given the tone of the article, it's interesting that the authors didn't allege "false claims" aside from the Veronika Gold stuff (that whole saga is extra weird in a different way, but that's probably better for a different discussion as the various events around the FDA hearing alone raised a bunch of bizarre questions about those allegations). Given the authors spelled out false claims with Gold, but nowhere else, perhaps such allegations couldn't clear editorial or legal review?

Like I said, this was all discussed pretty exhaustively across social media when it happened. There's even extensive documentation about some of the past issues (discussed on the Dose Nation podcast), which NYT conveniently seems to have ignored:


It seems to me that you recently read something about someone you had an online argument with six years ago and have let your mind run wild with projections, as evidenced by multiple posts where your claims simply lack the supporting evidence you insist exists (but haven't provided) or are fabricated (as you admit).

I realize I've said this before several times, I'm just a bit struck by the sway that this seems to have on you. I'm curious if there are things that would help you move on from this or work through it, even if you don't want to fully let it go, because it seems rather extreme to me and I imagine it's causing you a fair deal of suffering. Is there anything that would help bring resolution to this for you?
 
Preferably into the head of Snozzleberry? (joke, i am not advocating violence to another forum member or anyone else).

I remember being involved with quite a few discussions involving the legitamacy of violence with the Snozzmeister. As he is not here to give his point of view, this post from this thread may give newer members an insight into what his ideology was 12 years ago and may still be.. Post number 50 in this thread....

Sorry for the double post, but I gotta say, this old post is kinda drastically at odds in both content and tone from what was presented in this thread, imo. This is why I was asking for citations.

I also found the burying the hatchet for future use comment rather ironic in the context of some of the things said in this thread 😂

Well, i don't know. The link to the old site does provide some insights and maybe nuances that i might have missed.

Isn't that interesting? This is why I keep asking for specifics and harping on the fact that you've been marinating on this for six years. It's also why I shared the Tolle excerpt. Dealing with the specifics (or shaking the whole interaction off) may offer more utility or freedom than reinforcing any particular internal narrative. It's a lesson I still struggle with myself and try to remind myself when I'm able to.
 
This is incorrect.

The article states:

"Despite Psymposia’s modest resources, its members have become feared for their ability to use social media to damage reputations and careers, according to more than four dozen academic researchers, clinicians, industry executives, mental health advocates and former Psymposia members who were interviewed for this article."

It says nothing about false claims. That appears to be your projection.

Consider the cases of Francoise Bourzat and Aharon Grossbard and CCM:


No doubt their reputations and careers were significantly damaged. But the reason is not due to false claims, it's because they engaged in the types of behaviors that result in reputation and career damage, and then those behaviors were publicized.

The same could probably be said for the various people involved in the practitioner related deaths covered in the Power Trip podcast:


From my perspective, the fact that careers and reputations are damaged when ugly truths come to light is not news, nor is it particularly surprising. People who've done dirt don't like when that dirt is exposed, but the issue isn't the exposé, it's the dirt.

It also doesn't say that 48 people experienced this, just that 48 people claimed they feel ways about other people's social media engagement. That's not investigative journalism, it's a non-randomized anonymous poll of some people's feelings (given both reporters' on record sentiments, I think we can safely assume that a statistician would likely find the sample to be biased, but that's an assumption).

Beyond this, James Kent has a Dose Nation podcast from years ago that discussed some of the other people mentioned in the article. You'll notice that with regards to those cases the NYT explicitly does not say that any of the claims made about those people were false. Again, that appears to be your projection. Given the tone of the article, it's interesting that the authors didn't allege "false claims" aside from the Veronika Gold stuff (that whole saga is extra weird in a different way, but that's probably better for a different discussion as the various events around the FDA hearing alone raised a bunch of bizarre questions about those allegations). Given the authors spelled out false claims with Gold, but nowhere else, perhaps such allegations couldn't clear editorial or legal review?

Like I said, this was all discussed pretty exhaustively across social media when it happened. There's even extensive documentation about some of the past issues (discussed on the Dose Nation podcast), which NYT conveniently seems to have ignored:


It seems to me that you recently read something about someone you had an online argument with six years ago and have let your mind run wild with projections, as evidenced by multiple posts where your claims simply lack the supporting evidence you insist exists (but haven't provided) or are fabricated (as you admit).

I realize I've said this before several times, I'm just a bit struck by the sway that this seems to have on you. I'm curious if there are things that would help you move on from this or work through it, even if you don't want to fully let it go, because it seems rather extreme to me and I imagine it's causing you a fair deal of suffering. Is there anything that would help bring resolution to this for you?
I find it odd that the two only people who dared to give their names, the cases specifically mentioned in the article, are the same exact cases you don't discuss in your comment.
I'm starting to think you're him actually.

You're a pretty cunning gaslighter. And i mean this as a compliment. It is cleverly constructed, where it not that the article actually gives you credit for the good things you've also done. It is an: "in spite of the good things they have done, there is also another side that we want to discuss" article, and in your comment you completely ignore any of those things on that other side, but you mention only the good things and pretend that those are the cases being discussed.
This is a very deliberate kind of disingenuousness to defend the person being discussed. And he was clever like you, i'll give him/you that.
 
I find it odd that the two only people who dared to give their names, the cases specifically mentioned in the article, are the same exact cases you don't discuss in your comment.
I'm starting to think you're him actually.

You're a pretty cunning gaslighter. And i mean this as a compliment. It is cleverly constructed, where it not that the article actually gives you credit for the good things you've also done. It is an: "in spite of the good things they have done, there is also another side that we want to discuss" article, and in your comment you completely ignore any of those things on that other side, but you mention only the good things and pretend that those are the cases being discussed.
This is a very deliberate kind of disingenuousness to defend the person being discussed. And he was clever like you, i'll give him/you that.
And there is also the name ofcourse.
 
I find it odd that the two only people who dared to give their names, the cases specifically mentioned in the article, are the same exact cases you don't discuss in your comment.

Seems like you didn't actually read the links? Like, I provided a direct link and also mentioned the Dose Nation podcast that was linked on Facebook. I think that's more productive than any discussion I could offer?

Like I said, this was all discussed pretty exhaustively across social media when it happened. There's even extensive documentation about some of the past issues (discussed on the Dose Nation podcast), which NYT conveniently seems to have ignored:


I feel like I keep pointing out that there's been extensive social media discussion (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc) and am sharing the relevant information but rather than engage with any of that, you'd rather keep shadow boxing your own projections. As I said earlier, it makes discussion difficult.
 
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