DMT proximity effects

[Manoramix]

So, there is a phenomenon which has me thinking since I first tried 5meo...

I tried it in my room, and at the second attempt, I completely shattered my ego leaving nothig but an experiencing "it" behind. Changed my life.

The first few days after this experience where absolutely crazy, everything had changed, I knew that I never would be able to go back to my initial and more naïve view of the world. (Since I am a philosophy student, interested in entheogens and hallucinogens since quite some time, this new progression of mine was quite welcome.)
However, I smoke quite regularly weed, and I must say, that the first few days after my trip, every time I smoked, it brought back the whole 5meo trip... less intense, but the idea was there. And I can say, in general, that this 5meo experience has never truely left me, in fact it is now constantly present, I feel it, physically, mentally... It seems that each time I smoke weed, it brings it back. As if I had liberated some pathways which the thc is happy to explore.

But in general, I am under the impression that I radically changed something in my brain, not in bad, not in good... just changed something.

Now, to the crazy part. After first smoking 5meo, I left my place for a couple of weeks. I had these changes in mind, but slowly they seemed to integrate in my life, which allowed me to move somewhat forward. But, when I came back to my place, weird things started to happen. After being in my room for about an hour (in which I had smoked, and in which the 5meo was stored), I looked up from my computer and I suddenly realised that I was having quite a trip. Smoked a joint which only amplified the hole experience about a thousand times. T'was quite strange... at first I just thought it was some aftereffect or my imagination playing with me.

But, the hole thing lasted. Every time I was in my room, I got this weird 5meo clearness, emptyness... And in general I would feel very weird at my place. Was wondering if I was going crazy, especially since it only happend here... When I left, it always took a while and some time later I would again feel almost normal.

Now at first I thought it was a placebo effect... but that didn't quit satisfy me since the effect was so strong and in fact quite scary since it was not wanted at this particular time. I got the feeling that I would have to leave my place again for a few days, just to forget about it, so I went to my girlfriend a couple of days which totally stopped me from tripping. As I came back it started again. At this time I could not believe in a placebo effect anymore, it was too strong, too realistic, too 5meo like.

So I started looking for rationnal explanations... I thought that it could somehow be that a small quantity of the material stored in a non airtight container was slowly and constantly evaporating which had me breathing in a couple of molecules every now and then... (Yeah, I now and am aware that it is far fetched. Wait for the rest.) So I took it and placed it in an airtight glass container. As I oppended the drawer in which it was, I immmediatly felt a rush (placebo?) anyway, the effect didn't stop after sealing the molecule up. So (I really was wondering if the effect would once totally leave me...) I took the glass container and put it in another one. Still didn't change anything.

So, this was all very weird, especially the fact that I could litteraly feel a connection between the molecule stored in the two glass container and my psyche... Now that I was almost certain that the molecule couldn't escape it's container, and I still was getting it's effect, only when I was home, I started to look for other explanations. (Never discarding the placebo effect, but somehow I knew it wasn't placebo... it just felt too weird...)

So I thought (and I know that it might sound crazy, at least it did to me), that there must be another way of interacting with the molecule. The best idea that I came up with was the one of a wave emmanating from the molecule... Electromagnetic or whatever... (maybe not emanating, but at least forming a link.) So from my knowledge of physics, I wrapped aluminium paper around the container, and, weird enough, the whole experience seemed almost immediatly to lose in intensity, not totally, but noticeably. (Still placebo? Why didn't it do so with the glass containers in which I seemed to have equally faith in the first place?)

So I let it there a few days, and all was going a bit better, but it still somehow was getting me. Finally I decided to get it out and far away of my appartement, which seemed to be the best solution, since it totally stopped me tripping... Maybe it's worth mentionning that in general I am extremely sensible to the substances I absorb, I can feel way lower dosages than most of my peers.

Anyway, since everything had stopped, I totally forgot about it, till this week-end.

In fact, I decided to do a phalaris extraction. The first day everything is normal.
The second day I filtrate the extract, and by doing so I get some on my hands which I chose to rub in. A little later everything got electric, I had trails everywhere... (I am taking concerta, which acts in some extend as an MAOI) Later as I went to bed I smoked a joint and shortly after I was completely thrown out of usual reality. I felt it comming from my hands... nothing to unusual there. The next day, I evaporated most of the juice, taking care not to touch it with my skin... but in the evening, as I went to a party and smoked a joint, my whole reality shifted again, scary as hell since I was really in no mood for tripping. Thought it must be the vapors. The next day, I sealed the whole preparation up in glass containers and I cleand my whole kitchen hoping that I would get rid of all the molecules which might have condensed on stuff and that I was slowely absorbing trough skin etc. Didn't help. It has now been 5 days since the start of the extraction, and I am forced to aknowledge the fact that my whole pyche, the whole world around me, and basicelly everything that "is" in any way to me, has gotten so freaking strange. There is little doubt that I am living a slowely building dmt/5meo experience... whether it is placebo or real, I don't know. There is also the fact that I have only tried 5meo before, and that the nature of this trip has much more colours... (not world shattering... on a small but still quite big scale...)

My questions:

Does anybody else have experiences of tripping whilst just handling the molecule in a way or another? Is it that strong that just skin contact in very small doses can induce a trip?

And the more important one to me: has anybody else found to experience a (what seemed to be very real) connection between the molecules and the mind, whithout there being a way of phisical contact? Is all this just placebo? Or could it be that the molecules exhaled when smoking condensed on my walls etc, evaporating and giving me a very small but noticeable dose daily?

The thing is that this psychic interaction between my brain and the molecule, without a material exchange, was for me to be seen, clear as I now see the text I am tipping... It seemed so real that there was little doubt about the reality of the phenomenon. However, I am somewhat sceptical... I know that I can't trust my senses, but has anybody else made a similar experience? I truely would appreciate the imput...

 

[Compound37]

Sorry that this reply doesn't give adequate time to your concerns. Don't have time currently. But, I will just say that after several hard acid and dmt trips, that every time I smoke weed to the point of being VERY high, everyone looks like they have a set of eyes directly above their physical ones. Which was a common visual during a series of trips I took. I mention this because it seems that weed was a common factor in many of your experiences.

Could be lingering after effects because you're sensitive to it or just THAT vividly remembering it from being in a similar environment. "flashback" type effects if you will.

 

[Manoramix]

Yes, I considered all those possibilities, and it is certain that weed plays a significant role. However, right now I seem to be tripping although I did not smoke today. The effect came on shortly after I got home, and seems to be amplifiing since. The very weird thing is that it happens only (at least to that extent) when I am close to the physical molecule. It really does not seem to be a flashback... I do have flashbacks once in a while, but this seems completely different. I can't seem to find any reasonable explanation though... It really feels like some sort of connection... as if it where some sort of magnet that pulls on my mind... The flashback phenomenon (for me at least), comes on without any specific and obvious reason. But here, I feel a connection... It all seems so real and obvious... But then again, as I read what I am writing, I see very well that those thoughts and feelings are just about the ones the DSM uses to diagnose a psychosis... (Nice, isn't it?)

 

[Compound37]

I don't think your crazy brother This tiny molecule is a crazy lil bugger, and I wouldn't put anything past it. I haven't personally ever had anything resembling what you have going on happen to me, but I mean, I'm convinced it interferes with my electronics and drives animals crazy, so I don't doubt theres some explanation to what your saying.

I don't think DMT could condense on walls and end up slowly giving several molecules to you through inhalation daily, as several of my and my friends rooms would be unfit to live in at this point if that were the case. Plus smoke is ash in gas form, and by the time you exhale after 10-15 seconds, theres usually not much of anything left in it. (why being in a room with weed smokers won't make you fail a drug test).

As far as a mental connection with your mind, the experiences on 5meo are varied from N,N. Heard someone here describe the difference as that humans would smoke N,N, aliens would use the 5meo. I've never done 5meo, but could be (in a mystical, metaphysical, spirituality type of context) that the deep experience from the 5meo created a link in a non physical plane between you and your mind. I doubt this is what scientists would describe the phenomenon as. From their perspective I'm sure there has to be some physical mechanism for your what you're experiencing....i just have no idea what it would be.

 

[Global]

As far as a mental connection with your mind, the experiences on 5meo are varied from N,N. Heard someone here describe the difference as that humans would smoke N,N, aliens would use the 5meo.

AFAIK 5-MeO DMT is produced endogenously in humans in addition to N,N, so it seems pretty human to me in that sense. Bearing in mind 5-MeO's endogenous production, perhaps the OP has developed an increased sensitivity to his own endogenous 5-MeO. Alternatively, I know that smoked N,N DMT can be stored in the serotonin vessicles for up to a week. Smoked 5-MeO tends to last a bit longer than N,N so perhaps it is also stored in the vessicles for longer as well. Lastly, perhaps it's due to combining a neuroplasticity influence in which being in the space in which you smoked the 5-MeO creates some psychological release of 5-MeO. All kind of a bit-out-there theories, but then again, so is your condition

 

[DeMaTron]

I have noticed from a small 5-meo experience that the song i was listening to brings back a sense of the trip, but nothing of this intensity. Its been proposed that there is this mirror nueron that can reflect sensations that are not organically produced at the point in time its experienced(I.E. emotions/empathy from movies ect.) perhaps because you had the experience in your room it triggers the memory of the specific experience, or perhaps its manifesting(most likely) similar to if you smoke dmt in your dream it feels like your really doing it(which i believe you are) there is dmt in your body plus many other compounds, many things can take place. i do understand you saying the feeling of space is different, when i hear the song i partook on i sense an opening of space in my consciousness. hope my rambles assist, dont worry about it, this was the video about the reflective neuron, though not all of it is relevant its interesting.

Edit: the part relative to empathetic or reflective neurons can be found at 5:56 on the video.
I recommend everyone check it out in its entirety.

Peace!

 

[AlphaCentauri]

5-Meo-DMT scares me so much, which leads me to believe that I'm underestimating n,n-DMT. (trying out other, 'milder' psychedelics first)

Anyways, I remember some people claiming they literally had 'return trips' to LSD, of a much harder scale than flashbacks most people describe. I can't for the life of me remember if these accounts are reliable or not (I remember the forum but not the users that claimed this, some of them on that site are full of shit), but I would in no way rule out the possibility that these indeed are flashbacks (as far as I know, LSD does not naturally occur and def. not in in the human body)

You could also get really really out there and say that some effects of quantum mechanics showed up. There have been signs of particle-wave duality in certain molecules, which might mean that quantum mechanics might reach far further than we think. I dont know if this extends to 5-MEO-DMT. There could have occurred some form of entanglement, the basics needed for instant communications and teleportation. What happens to 5-MEO-DMT when it's 'used' is beyond me, but the individual particles still persist somewhere, right? With entanglement 2 particles become linked and directly affect each other's state wherever, at this point the 2 5-MEO-DMT molecules (one in your brain, one in the container) would be just the individual atoms. Now, let's dive into the real spooky action: the atoms that are in the container could possibly form back to 5-MEO-DMT or maybe even into a different Tryptamine comparable to 5-MEO. Due to the entanglement, the particles in your brain form itself (back) into a molecule and you're having a trip. Possibly quantum mechanics are everywhere, even in stars, but it's effect is affected (proper word-use ftw!) by size. (in this case, it would only occur when in your room)

NOTE: My fantasy is way too big, or I'm way too high (but is either a bad thing?)

 

[۩]

Proximity also does not have to be local, resonance in consciousness can occur regardless of the space/time in-between.