DMT solubility in Propylene Glycol (PG)

[fastfred]

Supersaturation would hardly be a solution for the stated purpose, since as soon as the solvent temperature went down once PG is loaded in the cartomizer, DMT would slowly precipitate clogging the device.

You would let the solution cool to room temp, leaving you with the most saturated solution possible with PG at room temp. Or you could do as I suggested and drip it directly onto the atomizer.

There's really no point in loading it into a cart, I can see that causing all sorts of trouble with the wicking and delivery. Chromatographing the mixture along the polyfill in the cart could even cause some separation and end up precipitating some at points in the poly.

If you can't get an active dose from 1 or 2 drops then the whole thing is a bust, and I don't see why you'd bother loading up a cart to deliver a drop or two to the atomizer.

Even if you had to prepare a few drops like a junkie draws up a dose of heroin (heating the spoon and all), I think quite a few people would think it's a good method.

In any case, if someone doesn't try a supersaturated hot drip into a HV atomizer then the question of weather or not this method is possible will remain unanswered.

 

[The Neural]

Supersaturation would hardly be a solution for the stated purpose, since as soon as the solvent temperature went down once PG is loaded in the cartomizer, DMT would slowly precipitate clogging the device.

You would let the solution cool to room temp, leaving you with the most saturated solution possible with PG at room temp. Or you could do as I suggested and drip it directly onto the atomizer.

There's really no point in loading it into a cart, I can see that causing all sorts of trouble with the wicking and delivery. Chromatographing the mixture along the polyfill in the cart could even cause some separation and end up precipitating some at points in the poly.

If you can't get an active dose from 1 or 2 drops then the whole thing is a bust, and I don't see why you'd bother loading up a cart to deliver a drop or two to the atomizer.

Even if you had to prepare a few drops like a junkie draws up a dose of heroin (heating the spoon and all), I think quite a few people would think it's a good method.

In any case, if someone doesn't try a supersaturated hot drip into a HV atomizer then the question of weather or not this method is possible will remain unanswered.

Thanks for the extra points. They are taken. The experiment will proceed as before, and if there is time for another in the future, these will be the points to be amended.

As for your last remark, the question on this method's possibility will not remain unanswered by using a 1ml solution, instead of direct drops on the atomizer. Direct drops is a good method, possibly much better than 1ml, but does not negate the possibility of achieving results with a different method, and this different method is what is at hand for the OP (not for everyone, but to the OP).

If we are to venture on the validity of the experiment, I might as well create another thread, once the said solution gets supersaturated. Until then, please let's remain on the question of exact solubility (which has not been answered yet).

 

[The Neural]

There most certaintly has to be a way; eve though I haven't tried it, If you dilute the PG-dmt mixture in a much greater volume of acetone and then salt it out with FASA you have good chances of getting the DMT back.

This definitely warrants a separate thread, on recovering DMT from PG ! What a wonderful suggestion. If the current experiment does not work, we will proceed with the salting indeed.

 

[whippits]

So I am here to resurrect this thread from the depths.

I have been making my own ejuice for 2 years now and I use a mechanical mod with a dripper atomizer. This is ideal because the is no chance of the DMT clogging up ports when using a saturated solution.

I have an entire gallon of food grade PG at my disposal, and will soon have a significant amount of DMT to test it on.

There is no need to conduct a recovery phase from the PG should this be unsusccessful. PG is very easily evaporated, and usually does not leave a residue. I would probably still wash the DMT anyway however.

Once my pulls are complete, I'll begin collecting data for this. While it'll never be an effective way to vaporize DMT for people with cartomizers, it would be certainly be a good delivery method using a mechanical mod + RDA.

After testing the solubility, I'm sure I'll need to make some adjustments to the build on the atomizer. Currently I have it setup to run 0.2 ohms which I feel would burn the DMT instead of vaporizing it. I'll post my results on that as well.

 

[anrchy]

There is an entire thread on using an ecig with dmt. The one that I posted on the most has the most up to date info on what we have found so far. I am currently not investing any time into this anymore but may pick it back up at some point.

I recommend you start with a small mixture. From my experience dmt starts to rapidly degrade when suspended in PG. I was able to get 1g dmt to dissolve in 1ml of PG. Imo that is more than enough. 250mg dmt in 1ml isn't enough. If I find the thread I'll link it here.

Edit: here it is...

Vaping with e-cig juice - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[SevenSeventeen]

I’ve stayed out of this thread until now, since some e-cig advocates get very sensitive when anyone says it’s a lousy method to administer DMT.

You hit the nail on the head with your observation.

Quite a while ago I purchased a very nice (and expensive) e-cig after someone here was singing the praises of them, and I discovered exactly what you’re talking about: It takes many, many inhalations to feel even light effects. Using an e-cig without pre-dosing with harmalas is a no-go in my opinion – the effects of one puff are already wearing off by the time you take the second.

My experience was that I was more likely to get effects from the resultant hyperventilation than from the DMT!

Let’s think logically for a moment – To get a solid, reliable breakthrough, one needs to inhale a fairly large amount of dense DMT vapor in a relatively short period of time. Even with pure DMT in a vaporizer, some people still have problems accomplishing this.

So how is diluting the DMT with PG or something similar and then vaporizing it in a device designed to slowly administer its contents going to help?

Sorry if I steered away from the question in the OP, but even if it was possible to have pure liquid DMT in an e-cig, it’s still unlikely that it would work well – they’re simply not designed to deliver the volume of vapor at the rate necessary.

I will share the reason why he is reluctant to test it yet until he dissolves some more. Let's assume it's 1.5 grams and not more. That is 150mg per 1ml. 1ml is the tank's capacity. 1 tank is much, much more than ~50 puffs. That would roughly end up at 3mg per puff. That would certainly require having eaten or smoked FB harmalas, and even then he may require more than 5 puffs for a proper experience.

What are your thoughts?

In my own personal experience most dmt cartridge vapes i have tried were not up to par. But i do have a friend who mixes his own and uses a vape that is modded with variable voltage and a large tank. I cant say what the ratio is that he uses for sure but i know that sometimes he has to gently warm the tank to get it to melt again. And i have tested his set up and found it to be more than sufficient. So i would have to disagree with the statements about noy being able to get enough dmt into the PG to give a good dose. It IS possible. Honestly i believe it could possibly be even better or lets say more efficient/consistent than smoking freebase in a pipe. I dont have any solid evidence to back up that statement, i say it because of my experience using it in this manner.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

In my own personal experience most dmt cartridge vapes i have tried were not up to par. But i do have a friend who mixes his own and uses a vape that is modded with variable voltage and a large tank. I cant say what the ratio is that he uses for sure but i know that sometimes he has to gently warm the tank to get it to melt again. And i have tested his set up and found it to be more than sufficient. So i would have to disagree with the statements about noy being able to get enough dmt into the PG to give a good dose. It IS possible. Honestly i believe it could possibly be even better or lets say more efficient/consistent than smoking freebase in a pipe. I dont have any solid evidence to back up that statement, i say it because of my experience using it in this manner.

You're answering a 13 years old post. Of course, the technology and the understanding of how e-cig should be set and approached with DMT have evolved significantly since then, nowadays it's a method favored by many people, thanks to its nice efficiency/reliability/convenience ratio. IMO it's the most versatile tool for DMT pulmonary doses delivery.
Vaping with a sub-ohm tank and an adjustable mod is generally recommended over using cartridges. No need to make saturated room temp recrystallizing juices with such devices as is usually the case with cartridges. 1g/2mL is more than enough for blasting off if that's one's goal, and it won't recrystallize with proper PG/VG ratio.