DMT Special Knowledge a Burden?

[!Xabbu]

(note: This is my reply to you IH)

Not reading completely through all these hughe threads, there actually was one thing I found hard to swallow. While I disagreed with HF on one part of the huge argument, I couldn't also accept IH's activism is bad view. It followed me some time and I couldn't even find a single piece of truth for myself in seing the "big prophets" as having harm done to the psychedelic community.
I watched good old Leary's prison interview again and must say, that I could only see how honest and brave, like a REAL superhero he has been. Media made what it did out of it and media would have done it anyway without such characters.
I can see how hard it is to even speak about psychedelics with the after 1990 born ones. When you talk about potential in psychotherapie, life changing experiences or conciousnes expanion all they see is DRUGS.

They don't even give Bill Hicks a try, let alone Aldous Huxley in his famous Interview where he pretty much prognosed the state of mind the western world is in now.

I feel that such activists or at least active aproaches are indeed what is needed.

I am not familiar with Dennis, but what HF wrote about medical mj as the fundament made me agree as it is the key to accepting psychedelics, simply because it can be one itself.


EDIT: Sorry HF but I had to add this

 

[DisEmboDied]

I would not go back to blindness, but still seems heavy at times amongst the general structure of society. Most of them are just not at that level yet. DMT is very similar to serotonin, just a tad bit more advanced, so DMT just may be the next evolution of serotonin. Maybe we are experiencing the future of consciousness, like a thousand years from now, maybe the next evolution of virtual reality at least.

Explaining the experience to someone who hasn't done it is like trying to describe classical music to someone who is deaf, or trying to describe colors to someone who is blind. It would still be possible, just very hard to do, and I don't know if the whole point would entirely get through.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

DisEmboDied!

:d

You're back.

I had thought we hijacked your thread and scared you off with our incessant tangential debating. I guess your OP struck a nerve.



Anyway, I agree with you about DMT being a far more advanced neurotransmitter as Serotonin. I also agree about the difficulty in describing it. I have been able to give people a good taste of it with words, but nothing anyone can say will prepare one for the experience. Even watching 100 hours of documentaries about war will not prepare you to go to one.

Welcome back.

 

[DisEmboDied]

I guess the difference is that after doing fairy dust, I see straight through other people's prejudices and categorizing, their fears and learned judgments and racisms in various forms. I am also reminded that in every angry person is a scared child. This comes from returning from boundlessness, zero boundaries and zero limits on possibilities.

To have to pretend to act using categories on people and things turns burdensome. Playing social/societal games when you see straight through them very far, turns burdensome, especially in the days following.

 

[hug46]

I guess the difference is that after doing fairy dust, I see straight through other people's prejudices and categorizing, their fears and learned judgments and racisms in various forms. I am also reminded that in every angry person is a scared child.

I guess this is one of the main reasons that i argue about the DMT/special knowledge thing.
I don"t think you need to take DMT to understand that what we do to our planet is destructive and i don"t think you need to take it to understand about fears, learned judgements and racism. Or prejudices and categorisation.
I have long been an advocate angry person/scared child scenario. A lot of paedophiles were abused when children and i was an advocat of the hug a paedo program. Most of my friends who had kids were disgusted with my views. No matter how noble i thought my intent to be. I understood their anger and i would go as far to say that if i had kids i would see it differently due to the instinctive desire to protect my offspring.

Maybe, for me, this special knowledge has come naturally with age and perhaps when i was in my 20s i was a little more ignorant of these things. But those times were long ago and a distant blur of ignorant indulgence and confusion, interspersed with moments of golden joy.

I suppose it is entirely possible that the concept of my bottomless, black pit of profound wisdom was given a bit of a shove by the psychedelics that i have taken at various times in my life.

The only special knowledge that DMT has given me is that i have to question my experiences/hallucinations/ideas and not to come to any definite conclusions on these situations.
I would love to believe all the spiritual claptrap that people talk about on this forum. I have faced my own mortality and contemplated an infinity of non existence, at length, in the last few years. There would be no-one happier than me to be proven wrong. But i just cannot shake the probability that we are just animals who eat, sleep, shit, fuck, take drugs, think ourselves clever and then die.

 

[AlpineXplorer]

This.

Though, I must add that old superhero adage... "With great power comes great responsibility."

It is a bit of a burden, and it is somewhat alienating. Like it or not, having spice breakthroughs does initiate you into a very special and exclusive "club." We are all part of a secret society that is so badass that we don't even have to meet, perform set rituals, or have any structure whatsoever. (The Nexus aside)

I don't say this out of delusions of grandeur, or some kind of elitism. It is simply the truth. If you are shown things in Hyperspace that you have determined to be true for yourself... then you ARE privy to information that most people will not only never know... but that they are not prepared or willing to believe even possible. I imagine this must be a bit what it feels like to be an upper echelon member of an intelligence agency.

All I can say is buck up... keep working on yourself... strive to integrate and wake up further. The only other choice is to repress your memories and go back to sleep. (This, for me is no choice at all.)

So learn to smile... inside and out... and make the entities proud.

HF :d

I love that “Make them PROUD.” It does feel like that, doesn’t it? Like I met my intergalactic fan club (and who knows, maybe a hater or two, lol). But now that I know they’re rooting for me, yeah, I want to do my absolute best. Better than before. And I wasn’t exactly slacking before.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Psychedelics are tools, very powerful tools, I think the key to using these plants is having a pure heart, if you are fully pure from the inside, you will gain knowledge that will benefit you in your daily life, and it will be a blessing instead of a burden, if you keep using these plants but you still don't want to purify your heart, your whole life can be ruined.

What i learned is, don't focus on the experience and what you will get from it, only focus on yourself, and just watch the experience, the experience doesn't matter, your the one who matters.

Don't try to seek knowledge, don't try to seek anything at all, just watch, and you will gain everything you want in this life.