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DMT tastes very bad/chemical and numbs my lips

JM434

Rising Star
Hello.

I have used DMT first time last Summer with a vape pen, ever since i got it from a certain early timeline and never had any problems. i have tried it at first with 510 vape pens, later with sub ohm coils with 18650 battery kits. i never had any problems. the DMT always tasted very earthy (kinda like smelling fresh mycelium) or like the smell of masks made of rubber/gum.

the DMT from then always looked slightly yellowish and very clear fine powder. i always mixed it in 50vg/pg juice 1gram per ML and put it in hot water bath. the juice was yellow and clear.

then (out of curiousity) i got some DMT from somewhere else, the DMT was also yellowish, but when i mixed it into ejuice, it had little white dots remaining in it that didnt dissolve (i didnt think anything of it), but when i tried it, the DMT taste was very chemical, as if i was vaping benzin/gas/parfume and it made my throat burn and my lips felt like becoming numb. i took a smell from my PG afterwards and it smelled a bit like parfume, so i assumed that it was because of the PG.

then finally, some mimosa bark and heptane fell from the sky and i wanted to try extracting it myself for the first time. i did everything exactly by the Gordotek method (but with heptane instead of naphta) and all bowls and instruments used for the extraction have been newly bought, wiped with 70% isopropyl and made out of stainless steel or glass. the environment was very clean and everything has been sterilized and cleaned properly.

so after the reduction, i put the solvent into a glass bowl and put it slightly tilted into the freezer and left it there over night. the crystals came out completely WHITE. (i didnt recrystallize) on the next day i rotated the plate and left it there for another night.
on the 3rd day, i discarded the solvent and left the crystals openly on a bowl with a weak fan blowing on it and let it dry for another entire day.
then as with all the other DMT, i put it in a hot water bath with ejuice and again i saw white little dots that didnt dissolve and the liquid looked only very slightly yellowish, less yellow than the other ejuice i got from before.

however the taste was exact the same as from the second DMT. it was extremely chemical and my lips tingled/got numb and i just couldnt smoke it.
that has made me figure that the second DMT was shit, just like the DMT i extracted myself. the liquid (PG) was never the problem.

i personally have no idea what this is and why this happens, but i think there is still solvent remaining with the DMT and i wanted to ask what i can do to improve the experience and extract and vape the DMT so its just as awesome as from the first DMT. can i maybe heat the crystals in a bowl without solvent so it melts and then freeze it again without adding any additional solvent into it?
should i let the crystals give more time to dry? should i let it dry in a vacuum? has anyone ever had a similar experience and can tell me what this is?
i have read in another thread here that this taste is normal and im supposed to get used to it, but after vaping the DMT from supplier1, there is no way for me to have any less of an experience than from the first DMT. pls help me
 
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Ofc 🤦‍♂️I somehow forgot to read in German 😆 You might want to save that heptane for recrystallizing your product, and use ordinary otc naphtha for the initial extractions if you're planning on doing any more.

The rationale and implementation DMT citrate in vape juice can be found here:
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Backnatron, Hausnatron, "Kaisernatron" can be found in any Drogeriemarkt and many supermarkets, Bioladen too (e.g. Natura brand, 250 g for about €2 or 3, www.natura.de). All are natriumhydrogencarbonat, E500.

Heating in a CLEAN stainless steel pan until it stops "levitating" and the water all evaporates takes roughly ten minutes. Sodium bicarbonate partially decomposes even if you pour boiling water on it so you only need to heat it to ca. 120°C for the full conversion.
thanks, if i should get into trouble with just buying the sodium carbonate, i will remember to just kaufen ze kaisernatron and cook it myself
 
hey guys, i just found out that i actually didnt use lye, but calcium hydroxide (pickling lime) instead, does it still can make the DMT as harsh as described as if there was Lye in it?
or could it possibly be indeed the heptane still residing in the DMT?
is it possible, when i do the extraction, to just evaporate all of the solvent and then freeze precipitate the bowl in the freezer? instead of leaving some solvent in the bowl and put it in the freezer?
 
Freebase DMT is a caustic amine regardless of how it's prepared, so the burning lips may simply be a case of personal sensitivity. It could therefore be the case that the first DMT you encountered was in the form of citrate or some other salt.

This is the kind of information that one knows when one prepares one's own materials, and thus precisely why encourage that.
 
Freebase DMT is a caustic amine regardless of how it's prepared, so the burning lips may simply be a case of personal sensitivity. It could therefore be the case that the first DMT you encountered was in the form of citrate or some other salt.

This is the kind of information that one knows when one prepares one's own materials, and thus precisely why encourage that.
okay, unfortunately i am no chemist so i have no idea what that means. the first dmt was yellow powder, mine is white powder.
my monkey brain says = powder is powder, no difference, powder = freebase
also its not just that its numbing my lips, its also burning my throat like, when i try to avoid touching the vapor with my lips, then it burns my throat instead and it still TASTES entirely different than the first DMT. the first DMT tasted like the smell of fresh mycelium (mushrooms) and mine tastes like benzin or any chemical in that sense.

the sodium carbonate is on its way and i will attempt to wash it with that. but i will need new solvent soon and i am considering to try naphta instead of heptane because my friends all told me that heptane doesnt evaporate that easily in room temparature like naphta does, or they rather say "its not supposed to"

also i would still like to know if i can just evaporate all the heptane in heat when i do the reduction instead of leaving a bit for the freezer
 
If you're using Waschbenzin that should be fine, and heptane is likely to be a major component of it.

DMT citrate is what you get by combining DMT freebase with citric acid.
i am quite certain that i am using pure heptane, but since i am no chemist, i can make a picture of the bottle later.

from what i can remember, the bottle is labeled as "n-heptan reinst."

is it easy to combine dmt freebase with citric acid? is it recommended?


anyway, if said method of just evaporating everything is fine, then i will try that with the next bark mix if the washing attempt doesnt change anything
 
i am quite certain that i am using pure heptane, but since i am no chemist, i can make a picture of the bottle later.

from what i can remember, the bottle is labeled as "n-heptan reinst."

is it easy to combine dmt freebase with citric acid? is it recommended?
I'll take your word for it, probably says "redist." for "redistilled".

DMT citrate works well so far in PG (propylene glycol) to make e-juice, so if that were your goal it would be a matter of adding the requisite amount of powdered citric acid to the DMT/PG mixture.
 
I'll take your word for it, probably says "redist." for "redistilled".

DMT citrate works well so far in PG (propylene glycol) to make e-juice, so if that were your goal it would be a matter of adding the requisite amount of powdered citric acid to the DMT/PG mixture.

i googled the following for this:
Chemische Stoffe werden meist in verschiedenen Reinheitsklassen gehandelt. Die genaue Spezifikation ist abhängig von Hersteller und Stoff. Meistens gilt: technisch > zur Synthese > rein > reinst > zur Analyse. Die Reihenfolge ist nicht genormt und wird oft durch die Hersteller erweitert.
so its apparently the 2nd best purity grade.
chatgpt also said "it stands for very high purity"


anyway, the mixing of DMT and citric acid sounds funny. i will have this on notice. first i will try the washing, then i will try to just evaporate everything.
if BOTH doesnt work, i will try making Zitronen-DMT-Limonade.

i also found this on wiki:
  • reinst (purissimum, puriss.) – besonders reine Qualität mit Stoffgehalt von mindestens 99 %, häufig mit Analysenzertifikat. Mit gebräuchlichen Analysemethoden können keine Fremdstoffe nachgewiesen werden. Aussehen und charakteristischen Daten entsprechen der einschlägigen Literatur. Empfindliche Produkte werden unter Schutzgas abgefüllt.
 
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Ofc 🤦‍♂️I somehow forgot to read in German 😆 You might want to save that heptane for recrystallizing your product, and use ordinary otc naphtha for the initial extractions if you're planning on doing any more.

The rationale and implementation DMT citrate in vape juice can be found here:
 
Solution
If you're using Waschbenzin that should be fine, and heptane is likely to be a major component of it.

DMT citrate is what you get by combining DMT freebase with citric acid.
Waschbenzin is mostly heptane indeed, sometimes with other carbohydrates added. It also needs a bit of warmth to hold the DMT. So if you use that, then also use a warm water bath (with no open fire!) when pulling the solvent.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

The Traveler
 
Waschbenzin is mostly heptane indeed, sometimes with other carbohydrates added. It also needs a bit of warmth to hold the DMT. So if you use that, then also use a warm water bath (with no open fire!) when pulling the solvent.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

The Traveler
Hopefully you mean hydrocarbons rather than, say, mashed potato ;)
 
okay, can i just put some citric acid into heptane extract and then freeze precipitate? or does it have to be ethyl acetate?
i might try it at some point, but for now i would like to stick with what i have currently (i am already spending too much money on equipment and i am actually also currently investing into a mushroom monotub project)
 
okay, can i just put some citric acid into heptane extract and then freeze precipitate? or does it have to be ethyl acetate?
i might try it at some point, but for now i would like to stick with what i have currently (i am already spending too much money on equipment and i am actually also currently investing into a mushroom monotub project)
Adding dry citric acid to naphtha extract wont' work. Stick to what you're doing already, and we'll cross the other bridges should it come to it.
 
Redissolve in a less toxic solvent like alcohol, IPA or aceton, and then dry again. You can repeat this step until you do not smell any of the heptane anymore.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
also: which of those solvents would you personally recommend for me? whatever i can get in its purest form? or are there differences i should be aware of?
(just in case washing the spice didnt do anything, i really think washing the spice wont change anything, since i cant imagine i messed up my pull and my spice looks really clean)
 
also: which of those solvents would you personally recommend for me? whatever i can get in its purest form? or are there differences i should be aware of?
(just in case washing the spice didnt do anything, i really think washing the spice wont change anything, since i cant imagine i messed up my pull and my spice looks really clean)
My personal favorite is dry acetone (meaning there is no water in it), it seems to drop out all the other solvents pretty well and it dries up amazingly fast itself.

So you could repeat these steps pretty quickly after each other. Just make sure you have proper ventilation and fresh air. Also due to the acetone drying up so fast it will cool down the container quickly, so having a warm water bath (with no open fire!) will help evap even faster.

You will get pretty fluffy DMT this way, which I like since it dissolves/evaps more easily than big crystals.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
My personal favorite is dry acetone (meaning there is no water in it), it seems to drop out all the other solvents pretty well and it dries up amazingly fast itself.

So you could repeat these steps pretty quickly after each other. Just make sure you have proper ventilation and fresh air. Also due to the acetone drying up so fast it will cool down the container quickly, so having a warm water bath (with no open fire!) will help evap even faster.

You will get pretty fluffy DMT this way, which I like since it dissolves/evaps more easily than big crystals.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
thank you kind sir. since you appear to be from NL(EU): may i also ask for a recommendation on dry acetone (preferably on amazon), so i can maybe save myself from purchasing shitty unclean product and going through any evap tests for the solvent?

as far as i understood the attitude page, i think im allowed to ask 😁
 
thank you kind sir. since you appear to be from NL(EU): may i also ask for a recommendation on dry acetone (preferably on amazon), so i can maybe save myself from purchasing shitty unclean product and going through any evap tests for the solvent?

as far as i understood the attitude page, i think im allowed to ask 😁
[Werken met Merken] is a very good one. You might setup an eenmanszaak (very easy through KvK) since no legal checking that way with that site and you are allowed to order more.

Just ask how dry the acetone is. And ask for a MSDS.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
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[Werken met Merken] is a very good one. You might setup an eenmanszaak (very easy through KvK) since no legal checking that way with that site and you are allowed to order more.

Just ask how dry the acetone is. And ask for a MSDS.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
thanks again. you may have overseen it, but i am still wondering how much solvent should i take for 1g spice when i do the wash. the "should i wash my spice" link doesnt provide information on how much solvent i should take (i would like to take as little as possible, since i dont have much anymore)
 
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