I have been looking everywhere for destilled water, but seems like the only way I can get that here in Norway is to buy a destilling machine... :x but I found something called battery-water, it is not destilled but filtered or something, could that work as a substitute until I get destilled water, or will the quality on the dmt not be as good??
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Do it have to be destilled water??
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You can usually find it in car supply shops or supermarkets but its usually called de-ionized water. As venom said it is used quite a lot for ironing and cleaning, as it won't leave water marks. I was quite anal about using distilled water when i first started extracting, but that slowly changed over time.... I noticed no difference in the results.
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..i always thought the chlorine in tap water starts affecting indoles..is this just another myth?
Chlorine in water only affects LSD.. So yeah thats a myth... Tap water can be used for any of the tryptamines (or phen: mescaline) extractions.
No, it don't. You shouldn't bump nearly 15 year old threads to contribute false information that may lead others astray. Low effort and low quality. This is not a limbo contest.
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from a practical chemistry standpoint, the reasoning is flawed.
The author correctly understands the mechanism of "salting out," but vastly overestimates the role that the water's starting minerals play in the overall extraction.
Here is a breakdown of what the tek claims versus the actual chemical reality.
The core philosophy of the "Max Ion" tek is to push the organic alkaloid (DMT) out of the water layer and into the non-polar solvent (NPS, like naphtha) by maximizing the ionic strength of the water. Because distilled water has zero dissolved minerals (zero ionic strength), the author argues that starting with it puts you at a disadvantage compared to filtered or tap water, which already contains dissolved ions like calcium, magnesium, and sulfates.
Let's look at the actual numbers:
In fact, standard laboratory practice strongly prefers distilled or deionized water for extractions. Using distilled water ensures you have a perfectly neutral baseline with zero unexpected variables — no chloramines, heavy metals, or natural pH buffers that could theoretically interfere with the lye or create unwanted byproducts.
Using distilled water will not "work against" your yield in any measurable way. The salt and lye do 99.9% of the heavy lifting."
from a practical chemistry standpoint, the reasoning is flawed.
The author correctly understands the mechanism of "salting out," but vastly overestimates the role that the water's starting minerals play in the overall extraction.
Here is a breakdown of what the tek claims versus the actual chemical reality.
What the Tek Claims
On page 6, the author states: "I don't like to encourage the use of distilled water, I prefer filtered water and for this reason alone, distilled water has had its ionic strength lowered to the lowest possible level intentionally, what you are buying is de-ionized."The core philosophy of the "Max Ion" tek is to push the organic alkaloid (DMT) out of the water layer and into the non-polar solvent (NPS, like naphtha) by maximizing the ionic strength of the water. Because distilled water has zero dissolved minerals (zero ionic strength), the author argues that starting with it puts you at a disadvantage compared to filtered or tap water, which already contains dissolved ions like calcium, magnesium, and sulfates.
The Chemistry: Why the Claim is Insignificant
While the author's premise about distilled water lacking ions is entirely true, their practical conclusion misses the forest for the trees. The trace minerals in filtered water are mathematically irrelevant compared to the massive amount of salt and base you add during the process.Let's look at the actual numbers:
- Filtered/Tap Water Baseline: Average tap or filtered water has a Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) count of roughly 100 to 400 mg/L (ppm). This provides a very tiny baseline of ionic strength.
- The Tek's Additions: The recipe calls for adding roughly 70–80g of salt (NaCl) and 40g of lye (NaOH) per liter of solution. Combined, you are dumping roughly 110,000 to 120,000 ppm of highly charged ions into the water.
The Verdict on Distilled Water
The author understands the mechanism of salting out perfectly, but you do not need to avoid distilled water.In fact, standard laboratory practice strongly prefers distilled or deionized water for extractions. Using distilled water ensures you have a perfectly neutral baseline with zero unexpected variables — no chloramines, heavy metals, or natural pH buffers that could theoretically interfere with the lye or create unwanted byproducts.
Using distilled water will not "work against" your yield in any measurable way. The salt and lye do 99.9% of the heavy lifting."
Oh great, an AI response.
The ionization of the starting aqueous solution will only benefit the release of DMT from the root bark powder. Distilled water is by definition deionized.
I never said the difference is large, I only said that distilled water works against the goal, which it does. If you read your own (sorry, the LLM's own) response to my post, you would understand that this is true.
Functionally, in the grand scheme of things there may be very little difference. But even if the difference is a milligram or two of yield, and I don't have to go out of my way to buy deionized water, that's a win. If you are going to make statements like "distilled water is the absolute best" you should back it up with some sort of evidence. Your AI seems to think that there is no difference. Maybe you disagree with your AI. I don't really care.
The ionization of the starting aqueous solution will only benefit the release of DMT from the root bark powder. Distilled water is by definition deionized.
I never said the difference is large, I only said that distilled water works against the goal, which it does. If you read your own (sorry, the LLM's own) response to my post, you would understand that this is true.
Functionally, in the grand scheme of things there may be very little difference. But even if the difference is a milligram or two of yield, and I don't have to go out of my way to buy deionized water, that's a win. If you are going to make statements like "distilled water is the absolute best" you should back it up with some sort of evidence. Your AI seems to think that there is no difference. Maybe you disagree with your AI. I don't really care.
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For me I do use distilled water because the results are much better.
I guess it also depends on where you live.
The water is used mainly for the boiling part.
If I use tap water I get very fluffy, low amounts that do not really stick to the glass container. If I use distilled water, I sometimes get a whole layer hard-dried to the glass.
I guess it also depends on where you live.
The water is used mainly for the boiling part.
If I use tap water I get very fluffy, low amounts that do not really stick to the glass container. If I use distilled water, I sometimes get a whole layer hard-dried to the glass.
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