Does our level of consciousness influence the insights we receive?

[Tripolation]

Indeed. Fortunately, God makes mistakes.

I don't believe in god or mistakes.

 

[Ajqij]

I don't believe in god or mistakes.

Maybe consider this version of "G.O.D." . . . (G)eneration, (O)rganization, (D)estruction.

 

[Ajqij]

yes that is why chanting helps

Jungleheart . . . the "baby jaguar" . . . are you familiar with Mayan philosophy and the ancient practices they used that leveraged the animals "very sharp" nature?

 

[Tripolation]

Maybe consider this version of "G.O.D." . . . (G)eneration, (O)rganization, (D)estruction.

That's a good one! Reminds me of Shiva.

 

[Jungleheart]

Jungleheart . . . the "baby jaguar" . . . are you familiar with Mayan philosophy and the ancient practices they used that leveraged the animals "very sharp" nature?

No! Please tell me about it.

 

[Ajqij]

No! Please tell me about it.

Sure ita be a pleasure . . . the ancient Maya viewed the jaguar as the most powerful animal within the jungles because of its versatility, (it could stalk from high in the trees, on the ground, and in the water). Spiritually, the jaguar represents paradox, (the terrestrial forces of the finite and the cosmological forces of the infinite.) The ruins at "Uxmal in the Yucatan have a dual header stone jagura at the entry to the structures, and there is a sacred site very close to it called "Oxkintok" (an underground labrynth) in which the "sharpness" of your little teeth were put to good use . . . a rite of passage was held there for centuries in which apprentice Curanderos were inserted into one end of the tunnel and a jaguar in the other end. Whoever came out when the entrance was opened after a day or two was the uh . . . full-fledged shaman! :0

 

[universecannon]

"...these are consciousness expanding drugs...if you don't have any consciousness, they can't expand it"

 

[Ajqij]

"...these are consciousness expanding drugs...if you don't have any consciousness, they can't expand it"

Well said . . . have a look at my "Toltec-Tek" post if you haven't already. It's got some interesting "expansion" technology you might appreciate. And nice choice for ur name btw . . . I partticularily like "universe" and love it as a "cannon."

 

[Jungleheart]

Sure ita be a pleasure . . . the ancient Maya viewed the jaguar as the most powerful animal within the jungles because of its versatility, (it could stalk from high in the trees, on the ground, and in the water). Spiritually, the jaguar represents paradox, (the terrestrial forces of the finite and the cosmological forces of the infinite.) The ruins at "Uxmal in the Yucatan have a dual header stone jagura at the entry to the structures, and there is a sacred site very close to it called "Oxkintok" (an underground labrynth) in which the "sharpness" of your little teeth were put to good use . . . a rite of passage was held there for centuries in which apprentice Curanderos were inserted into one end of the tunnel and a jaguar in the other end. Whoever came out when the entrance was opened after a day or two was the uh . . . full-fledged shaman! :0

Wow! Really interesting! I don't think I would make it out of that alive.

 

[Ajqij]

Wow! Really interesting! I don't think I would make it out of that alive.

No kidding! But being a "jungleheart" surely you would give it a go, yes? I'll hang out by the entrance and cheer you on . . . it's the least I can do. LOL

 

[jzatopa]

Yes absolutely - Receiving insights beyond where you are at can take years if not lifetimes to unlock and be able to embody although much of that work was done in previous generations.

Think about it this way, let's say you have to understand the basics of the Sefer Yetzirah to understand the next entity you are going to be unioning with to learn from. That entity is connecting you to the light of God through them for your growth. If you don't answer the call to the book and reading, then you wont receive the same amount of help from the union (hence why we are called to have some items and other things or practices when developing or just on the way through our path). In addition, our practice of specific practices help keeps our bodies healthy, energetically aligned pure and toned and available for the life changes that happen, which are easier when we live our truth.

 

[blig-blug]

I can't speak of DMT, as I'm just getting started with it. But every time I've had an important insight with LSD, mushrooms or meditation, it's been evident to me that it was in good part due to how I approached that specific experience. More than "receiving" an insight, it felt like an insight developed from the conjunction of set, setting and substance, and it developed in my mind. So I would answer unequivocally "yes" to the question in this thread.
I'm aware that the DMT experience feels very often as if coming from outside, so I'll have to reexamine this idea that the experience is obviously a product of the mind when or if I have those experiences.

receive plays a pivotal role in how we are interacted with by DMT entities or "others."

I would say that this also applies to how we are interacted with by non-DMT entities!

 

[fink]

I would guess that, just like life experiences, we are not all meant to have the same psychedelic experiences. Nor the same take away mindset.

When such a thing is confined to a closed community, such as a tribe, it stands to reason that an agreed lore would become accepted. Especially given thousands of years to explore.

Now this experience has been released on the entire planet over a very short period of time. Who knows what the DMT experience will mean in another century?

Does the level of conciousness control the insights? It could be the level of guidance and tradition. Without that guiding control that has existed in those small closed communities for thousands of years the cat is really out of the bag.

 

[Ajqij]

I would guess that, just like life experiences, we are not all meant to have the same psychedelic experiences. Nor the same take away mindset.

When such a thing is confined to a closed community, such as a tribe, it stands to reason that an agreed lore would become accepted. Especially given thousands of years to explore.

Now this experience has been released on the entire planet over a very short period of time. Who knows what the DMT experience will mean in another century?

Does the level of conciousness control the insights? It could be the level of guidance and tradition. Without that guiding control that has existed in those small closed communities for thousands of years the cat is really out of the bag.

Well . . . until you've been in those "closed communities" can you really conclude how closed they are Fink? What if the plants themselves choose who imbibes them and what capacity and level of consciousness those who partake in them acquire? And "guiding control" um . . . no, perhaps "guiding love" is a better way of grasping what is actually happening between Curanderos and those they serve. Again,.until you've been there it's all speculation. Just my take tho for whatever it's worth to ya.

And now that the DMT "experience has been released on the entire planet over a short period of time" . . . um, I will refrain from commenting on how promising that truly might be. The secrets of atomic energy released to the human race has so far produced irreversible radioactive pollution far more extensive than any of us knows, four nuke meltdowns, and who knows what nasty moves are about to be brought to bear. When advances in technology outstrip the level of maturtity and consciousness of those pioneering and using them, trouble is just around the corner. And yeah, "the cat is out of the bag" and she ain't going back in without somebody getting a severe clawing.

 

[Koduckushi]

Without that guiding control that has existed in those small closed communities for thousands of years the cat is really out of the bag.

And what a powerful cat it is.

I think it's important to explore these spaces. I love the shamanic frameworks, but it can definitely be alienating for someone looking for a different experience. I think the exploration is important to do from many frames of mind. So long as that framework isn't one of ill intent and isn't obviously detrimental, it should be fair game.

There are so many ways to go about it, and I feel like this is one of the communities that pleads for safe/healthy exploration in an open context. That is of foundational importance to me.

 

[premeditated]

During that scan does anyone feel like hot spots in different parts of your head and eyes...like someone is shining lights through your brain idk it's strange

 

[fink]

Well . . . until you've been in those "closed communities" can you really conclude how closed they are Fink? What if the plants themselves choose who imbibes them and what capacity and level of consciousness those who partake in them acquire? And "guiding control" um . . . no, perhaps "guiding love" is a better way of grasping what is actually happening between Curanderos and those they serve. Again,.until you've been there it's all speculation. Just my take tho for whatever it's worth to ya.

And now that the DMT "experience has been released on the entire planet over a short period of time" . . . um, I will refrain from commenting on how promising that truly might be. The secrets of atomic energy released to the human race has so far produced irreversible radioactive pollution far more extensive than any of us knows, four nuke meltdowns, and who knows what nasty moves are about to be brought to bear. When advances in technology outstrip the level of maturtity and consciousness of those pioneering and using them, trouble is just around the corner. And yeah, "the cat is out of the bag" and she ain't going back in without somebody getting a severe clawing.

By closed we mean isolated from the developing world in our recent history. But no, I certainly don't know as many south american humans or visit as many villages as you have. Must be a great experience, being so close to that way of life. I like reading when you write about it.

There is no way I can possibly predict how increasing DMT popularity will change humanity.

Like koduckushi said, it's a powerful cat

 

[perraux]

I think that your level of self-awareness, self-control, or self-mastery play a pivotal role in how we interact with anything in this reality. You could drop me off in hyperspace, drop me off in the roughest part of Harlem or drop me off in the middle of the mountains and I will be fine in all cases. Some people just are not built for certain experiences. They may have self-limiting behaviors of fear or something else that causes them to fold or collapse. Adaptability is huge when dealing with difficult terrains, be it surviving in the wilds of nature and the big city or hyperspace. The capacity to adapt will completely and totally drive the perception of your experience.

If you are unaware of something in an experience or simply do not understand it, you will not receive nearly as much as someone who does. Some people need a shaman to better understand the landscape of DMT. They seek education in the spiritual realms. The learn to adapt, let go, be open and receive. The guide or guru is an essential step in understanding for some.

I never had a shaman or someone to teach me these things, I learned along the way. I failed and fumbled and stumbled and slowly learned a skillset as I went along. We are always limited by how much we understand and that completely affects what is learned. I didn't get nearly as much out of my experiences with psychedelics when I was younger as I do now. I would not have recognized the lessons I pick up now when I was younger. I can certainly say the same thing for any given experience I have in my life. These psychedelics experiences translate immediately into every day life if you apply the lessons learned.

I think we could experience and talk about the DMT landscape for generations and still not truly understand it. There are no landmarks, no language that works for description. We are totally limited in our understanding and limited in how we can describe it. We have the Lexicon and other tools at our disposal to at least attempt to find a common language and terminology enable to better understand it together, however, it will always fall short.

I wish a bunch of psychonauts could plan a meetup in hyperspace, campout for a week, explore the area, map the terrain and come back with some idea as to what in the hell is going on. Inner worlds are not easily shared. The best we have is the outer world, exploring our feelings and experiences the way we do here at the Nexus is likely about as good as it ever going to get, so I think we are on a good track towards a better comprehension, even if we can only take so much from it.

Sounds like you may have some ideas yourself. Let's hear it.

If you are so certain of your abilities, could you potentially be missing out on...quite a lot, because you assume you know something that you quite frankly, don't know at all? Could the things you're picking up on now be simply because you want to pick those up now? It sounds like a lot of "I" and a complete lack of "i"

Being unable to understand something (but wanting to) is what got you here, so arguably, from your inability to understand back then, you've received infinitely more than someone who "understands" already and gains nothing new from it. At that point, it sounds more like all you're gaining is reassurance for "I" and nothing more?

This isnt an attack, im just trying to learn and ask questions and gain insight from responses

 

[DM3]

Of course it does, just like many other factors, from set and setting to a person's genetics and experience. It's important to know what you want to achieve from the DMT trip, to formulate your request, and to follow your path during the experience.

 

[Tripolation]

If you are so certain of your abilities, could you potentially be missing out on...quite a lot, because you assume you know something that you quite frankly, don't know at all? Could the things you're picking up on now be simply because you want to pick those up now? It sounds like a lot of "I" and a complete lack of "i"

Being unable to understand something (but wanting to) is what got you here, so arguably, from your inability to understand back then, you've received infinitely more than someone who "understands" already and gains nothing new from it. At that point, it sounds more like all you're gaining is reassurance for "I" and nothing more?

This isnt an attack, im just trying to learn and ask questions and gain insight from responses

I am not certain of my abilities but rather I know I have the courage to face what comes my way. If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing at all. I don't think I am missing anything.

I think back in my younger days I got plenty out of my experiences, I don't discount those experiences. My experiences now have a higher value in my mind because I see psychedelics as medicine. It's a much more mature approach compared to my younger self who didn't give a shit about anything. I just wanted to get fucked up and see shit.
If you think that my younger self got more out of it, I disagree. Sure.. I got some pure experiences but I don't think there was an understanding of any of it. Some of what I am looking for is that pure experience, I remember those days and it did provide a step towards where I am now.

My baby self was completely and totally enlightened as far as I see it. I try and get back to that. My baby self could not tell you a damn thing about life though. Trying to find a balance of "I" and the infinite. Wisdom is what I seek.

Come what may. I will face whatever comes with courage and I know that I will be ok on the other side. I try an lose the "I" when I do psychedelics. I don't really identify with "I" anymore anyway. It's just a bunch of stories I tell myself. Maybe it's just a matter of learning what our younger selves know automatically. Chip off layers of life and returning to innocence without labels and with the "I".

P.S. This video found me today. This is exactly what I am talking about ->