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Doing DMT at 14
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Godsmacker
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I wouldn't suggest giving to to them; let em grow a few years and experience life. If they really want it, don't give them any help or hints-there are some nasty felonies which could be incurred when one gives controlled substances to a minor (and doesn't have the letters MD on their name). I'm fairly sure many others would agree with me when I suggest that you do not give minors any kind of drug, ESPECIALLY DMT.
Are you 14? Are you considering giving to to someone who is 14? Either way-DON'T; this is a recipe for disaster. I'm not sure if it would "fuck them up" as you put it, but it may not be good for their tender young mind at that age, and if you are the one giving it to them and they decide to tell, it's YOUR ass on the line. My advice is not to worry about DMT at such a young age. There are decades to do DMT; delayed gratification makes for sweeter rewards.
Are you 14? Are you considering giving to to someone who is 14? Either way-DON'T; this is a recipe for disaster. I'm not sure if it would "fuck them up" as you put it, but it may not be good for their tender young mind at that age, and if you are the one giving it to them and they decide to tell, it's YOUR ass on the line. My advice is not to worry about DMT at such a young age. There are decades to do DMT; delayed gratification makes for sweeter rewards.
Nathanial.Dread
Esteemed member
Let's try and get some real data before we start making strong claims one way or another.
This study, of Ayahuasca use among adolescents growing up in traditions where it is a sacrament suggests that, on the whole, use of Ayahuasca by young people is associated with better mental health and no real signs of psychopathology.
To me, that's good evidence that there is nothing *intrinsically* damaging about exposing a teenage brain to DMT. Now, we need to keep in mind the cultural elements: the teenagers in this study are in a community where psychedelic experiences are normalized and there is a culture of integration. This is not the case for a teenager getting high in their basement, and so the effects may be different.
If anyone else has any studies of this, I'd be interested to see what's out there.
Personally, I'd say don't do it, unless you are in a position where there is someone to serve as a guide and help you integrate the experience. Also, maybe consider putting off recreational drug use until you're older. DMT may be fine, but there are a lot of other drugs that you don't want to add to a developing brain.
Blessings
~ND
This study, of Ayahuasca use among adolescents growing up in traditions where it is a sacrament suggests that, on the whole, use of Ayahuasca by young people is associated with better mental health and no real signs of psychopathology.
To me, that's good evidence that there is nothing *intrinsically* damaging about exposing a teenage brain to DMT. Now, we need to keep in mind the cultural elements: the teenagers in this study are in a community where psychedelic experiences are normalized and there is a culture of integration. This is not the case for a teenager getting high in their basement, and so the effects may be different.
If anyone else has any studies of this, I'd be interested to see what's out there.
Personally, I'd say don't do it, unless you are in a position where there is someone to serve as a guide and help you integrate the experience. Also, maybe consider putting off recreational drug use until you're older. DMT may be fine, but there are a lot of other drugs that you don't want to add to a developing brain.
Blessings
~ND
I started on psychedelic substances when I was about 14 and acquired a taste for them, tho only an occasional user, and have used them for nearly 30 years. I would have to say it depends on the headspace of the 14 year old as they are not for everyone and are not party drugs.
Kids that take these substances in the Amazon do so in societies that are very spiritual and this I would imagine serves in many ways to normalize what is a deeply mystical, or even supernatural experience, by there being a communal system of support in place as well as an explanation -right or wrong- as to what the experience actually is.
A child in the western world brought up to believe only rational and scientific facts may well become terrorised when faced with the DMT machine. Hell I know I was and not at 14! Then hes going to have a hell of alot of questions about life and probably spend all his time day dreaming through school!
Either way I don’t think the child can really understand what DMT or any psychedelic is and therefore cannot give his consent. Who knows what effect it would have?
It’s still a class A drug and who knows if afterwards a child would be able discriminate between class A psychedelics or class A opiates.
Dad who gave his kid DMT? Worst Dad in the world in my opinion!
Hope your not planning it, and if you are 14 yourself concentrate on your school work.
A child in the western world brought up to believe only rational and scientific facts may well become terrorised when faced with the DMT machine. Hell I know I was and not at 14! Then hes going to have a hell of alot of questions about life and probably spend all his time day dreaming through school!
Either way I don’t think the child can really understand what DMT or any psychedelic is and therefore cannot give his consent. Who knows what effect it would have?
It’s still a class A drug and who knows if afterwards a child would be able discriminate between class A psychedelics or class A opiates.
Dad who gave his kid DMT? Worst Dad in the world in my opinion!
Hope your not planning it, and if you are 14 yourself concentrate on your school work.
Hey there buddy
I smoked DMT at 23 and heck.... I wasnt even ready then
but looking back i am glad that I waited to pursue dmt until
Now, even though i was aware of it almost 5 years ago. I have no regrets that i didnt do it earlier, haha far from it in fact.
You're a wise 14 year old for coming on the Nexus first and asking: this is a GREAT place to learn!
I cannot tell what your life story is, but we would love to hear more about yourself and where you are in life. This is a courageous step to make an account and post here. Talk to more people, we have a chat room and that has helped me personally with literally everything.
All i can say for now is this - dmt works best when its used for your benefit. How don you feel you could benefit from it, fair question? I never stop asking myself this, either
Welcome!
I smoked DMT at 23 and heck.... I wasnt even ready then
but looking back i am glad that I waited to pursue dmt untilNow, even though i was aware of it almost 5 years ago. I have no regrets that i didnt do it earlier, haha far from it in fact.
You're a wise 14 year old for coming on the Nexus first and asking: this is a GREAT place to learn!
I cannot tell what your life story is, but we would love to hear more about yourself and where you are in life. This is a courageous step to make an account and post here. Talk to more people, we have a chat room and that has helped me personally with literally everything.
All i can say for now is this - dmt works best when its used for your benefit. How don you feel you could benefit from it, fair question? I never stop asking myself this, either
Welcome!
BongWizard
Hyperspace Cowboy
My knee jerk reaction is "don't give DMT to kids!"
However, it all depends on the person. IME, some kids (though not as young as 14) handle it better than most adults I've seen try it for the first time.
Use your judgement, but if you have even the slightest doubt, don't do it.
However, it all depends on the person. IME, some kids (though not as young as 14) handle it better than most adults I've seen try it for the first time.
Use your judgement, but if you have even the slightest doubt, don't do it.
OP that is a question that will obviously get our attention. Will you please elaborate? Is it you? If not, why on earth are you considering dosing a child (14 is a child in the west)?
As for me, I started smoking weed at 13, tripping at 14. Lost my virginity at 15. Left home & school at 16. By 18 I was smoking crack full time and by 25 was a full onheroin addict and didn't fully get off opiates until a month ago at 46.
I also did a lot of fantastic and wonderful things like travel cross country alone at 18.
That's me, not you. I was, am and always will be an experiencer. That is, if I wanna, chances are I'm gonna. It's offered me great successes and failures, endless grief and pain and stores of ecstatic memories.
But what we need to know to answer your question, is data. Who are you, why do you want to dose this person, who are they to you. All the what's where's and why's.
Until that info is in hand-:!:
Natty: I understand what you're saying. But these indigenous, shamanic cultures operate differently than we do. We are comfortable dosing our children with high side effect profile medication to treat questionably diagnosed conditions like ADHD etc. we don't give them medicine the way those cultures do. Doing so probably opens a pandora box of miserable assumptions, questions and accusations.
As for me, I started smoking weed at 13, tripping at 14. Lost my virginity at 15. Left home & school at 16. By 18 I was smoking crack full time and by 25 was a full onheroin addict and didn't fully get off opiates until a month ago at 46.
I also did a lot of fantastic and wonderful things like travel cross country alone at 18.
That's me, not you. I was, am and always will be an experiencer. That is, if I wanna, chances are I'm gonna. It's offered me great successes and failures, endless grief and pain and stores of ecstatic memories.
But what we need to know to answer your question, is data. Who are you, why do you want to dose this person, who are they to you. All the what's where's and why's.
Until that info is in hand-:!:
Natty: I understand what you're saying. But these indigenous, shamanic cultures operate differently than we do. We are comfortable dosing our children with high side effect profile medication to treat questionably diagnosed conditions like ADHD etc. we don't give them medicine the way those cultures do. Doing so probably opens a pandora box of miserable assumptions, questions and accusations.
null24 said:
Bingo. Im surprised noone else here kind-of raised an :?: .
OP, much more help can be generated if you were to be a little more in depth with what you're trying to get across. Simply stating Is it too young for someone to do DMT? Would it fuck them up?. If you're asking this and stating it in such a manner, then im doubtful said person (or yourself) is ready for an intense psychedelic state, especially something as earth-shattering as the DMT experience can be.
Give it some years, psychedelics aren't going anywhere.
OP if you are 14 years old you shouldnt be on this forum. Come back when you are 18. If you are an adult that is considering dosing a child i do not believe that anyone on this forum would or should condone it. This place is about using drugs responsibly and dosing kids, no matter how well balanced they happen to be, is irresponsible.
OneStepBeyond
Rising Star
hug46 said:
x2. I have a feeling we're dealing with the former, rather than the latter.
If you are 14, I'll tell you, there are a lot of new and interesting experiences coming up in your life, but at this time I wouldn't recommend that DMT (or any other drug) be part of them. Just enjoy your teenage years and make them the best you can, and then later when you've grown up (at least 18, I guess), if you're still interested in these types of experiences, they will still be available to you at that time.
Will it "f**k you up"? It certainly could.
I'm going to just assume you're 14 and put your account on hold for four years. Feel free to come back then and discuss further.
If you're an adult trying to decide whether or not to dose up a 14 year old, I would say please don't return in four years (or ever).
If you're an adult trying to decide whether or not to dose up a 14 year old, I would say please don't return in four years (or ever).
I would also like to add my opinion on this, as I hope it can help prevent bad stuff happen.
First - as many here have said, please be more specific about yourself and your reasons, by now there is no point in lying anyways, you're account will probably get suspended anyways.. so if your intentions are pure, you shouldn't be afraid to come forward - just as I hope no one will be insensitive and dismissive (right!?!)
So lets see....
if you are a parent or an older person who wants to give it to 14yr old, unless you have some absolutely unique reason a last resort reason to give it to them (like idk, the kid is the real life John Constantine who needs to get to the Other side to find a missing piece of his soul ...- ok, that sounds even more ridiculous then the ridiculous version in my head - so yeah - just don't) and I don't think this is the case anyways.
and if you are 14 and you want it for yourself...
I wish you rather wouldn't..
I've been into all this spiritual path sh** since I was your age, probably younger and I started smoking weed at the age of 13 (baaaad idea, I wish I could redo that to be honest...) and tried some trips etc. then had a break from psychs and came back to it around 23/24 (and a loooot has happened to me in those 10yrs and I've had other psychedelics and stuff) and as much as the dmt has helped me it wasn't an easy experience and have I had it maybe even a year sooner I think I'd sh*t my pants... so that's just the one aspect of - being able to handle the experience - (just so you know, the sh***ing my pants part could still happen!)
But then there is the other part just as important...ok lets say you've handled the experience etc. it showed you things....you know stuff....see stuff perhaps? whatever... people around you DON'T GET IT and that's a big problem, you won't know what to do with all your new views/perspective/information....and will not have anyone to talk to it about, that could drive you crazy.. you will put a huge weight on yourself you will most likely not be able to carry...
I don't know you, perhaps you are extremely evolved and it would be a "good thing" for you, but I think the likely hood of that is very low...and if you are not humble enough to even consider these things, you should not pursue this desire of yours as you have no idea of the possible consequences it may bring to you and the people around you and people interested in this stuff.
Feel free to read a lot a bout it here, there is good info here and there is some research available on the internet...read up, then come back and ask more questions...if you still insist. I believe if you persuaded us we would be nothing but supportive.
Either way, best of luck to you
First - as many here have said, please be more specific about yourself and your reasons, by now there is no point in lying anyways, you're account will probably get suspended anyways.. so if your intentions are pure, you shouldn't be afraid to come forward - just as I hope no one will be insensitive and dismissive (right!?!)
So lets see....
if you are a parent or an older person who wants to give it to 14yr old, unless you have some absolutely unique reason a last resort reason to give it to them (like idk, the kid is the real life John Constantine who needs to get to the Other side to find a missing piece of his soul ...- ok, that sounds even more ridiculous then the ridiculous version in my head - so yeah - just don't) and I don't think this is the case anyways.
and if you are 14 and you want it for yourself...
I wish you rather wouldn't..
I've been into all this spiritual path sh** since I was your age, probably younger and I started smoking weed at the age of 13 (baaaad idea, I wish I could redo that to be honest...) and tried some trips etc. then had a break from psychs and came back to it around 23/24 (and a loooot has happened to me in those 10yrs and I've had other psychedelics and stuff) and as much as the dmt has helped me it wasn't an easy experience and have I had it maybe even a year sooner I think I'd sh*t my pants... so that's just the one aspect of - being able to handle the experience - (just so you know, the sh***ing my pants part could still happen!)
But then there is the other part just as important...ok lets say you've handled the experience etc. it showed you things....you know stuff....see stuff perhaps? whatever... people around you DON'T GET IT and that's a big problem, you won't know what to do with all your new views/perspective/information....and will not have anyone to talk to it about, that could drive you crazy.. you will put a huge weight on yourself you will most likely not be able to carry...
I don't know you, perhaps you are extremely evolved and it would be a "good thing" for you, but I think the likely hood of that is very low...and if you are not humble enough to even consider these things, you should not pursue this desire of yours as you have no idea of the possible consequences it may bring to you and the people around you and people interested in this stuff.
Feel free to read a lot a bout it here, there is good info here and there is some research available on the internet...read up, then come back and ask more questions...if you still insist. I believe if you persuaded us we would be nothing but supportive.
Either way, best of luck to you
OneStepBeyond said:
x3
Although, lurking and learning would be a great start to the long journey ahead of you. But please respect the adult atmosphere here; I'd hate to see this forum end up like the shroomery.
Also, bear in mind this: a 14 year old will not be the same person they were when they are 24 years old. I feel in modern, unspiritually influenced societies such a profound experience may be destructive to a developing PERSONALITY. Albeit, if I was a father with a 16 year old kid I would probably allow them to partake in mushrooms and even have a beer ocassionally. --in a responsible setting, under supervision of experienced people in a way that encourages them to respect these substances.
Trying to secretively extract dmt in a parents house with ill preparation may not end well. Imagine if the folks walked in, how aweful that will turn out.
Set, setting, safety, supervision are all key elements to any psychedelic experiences, and IMO surpass age.
I agree with everything being said. Dosing in HK at the age of 14 is a violation of the set and setting rule. The question OP posed indicates ignorance of the set and setting concept. To answer the question: Yes, it can. You may even end up in a mental facility.
Also the HK drug laws aren't funny and should be taken into consideration:
My advice: read the forum for the next 4 years and only start when you are firm with all the concepts that are necessary for SAVE (!) DMT extraction and consumption. And don't forget to concentrate on your school work.
Also the HK drug laws aren't funny and should be taken into consideration:
Any person who manufactures a dangerous drug, shall be liable upon conviction to a fine of HK$ 5,000,000 and imprisonment for life .
Any person who has in his possession; or smokes, inhales, ingest or injects a dangerous drug, shall be liable upon conviction to a fine HK$ 1,000,000 and imprisonment for 7 years .
Any person who has in his possession any pipe, equipment or apparatus fit and intended for the smoking, inhalation, ingestion or injection of a dangerous drug, shall be liable upon conviction to a fine of HK$10,000 and imprisonment for 3 years .
DANGEROUS DRUGS
(b) any compound (not being a compound for the time being specified in subparagraph (a)) structurally derived
from tryptamine or from a ring-hydroxy tryptamine by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the sidechain
with one or more alkyl substituents but no other substituent;
Laws & Penalties | Hong Kong Police Force
Hong Kong Police Force - Laws & Penaltieswww.police.gov.hk
My advice: read the forum for the next 4 years and only start when you are firm with all the concepts that are necessary for SAVE (!) DMT extraction and consumption. And don't forget to concentrate on your school work.
OneStepBeyond
Rising Star
Ufostrahlen said:
Yikes! Yeah, that's not something you want to mess around with.
On the other hand, the written law is different the the practial law (according to WikiP)OneStepBeyond said:
Despite Hong Kong being a relatively safe city, and the Hong Kong government’s efforts in controlling the use of illegal substances, drug abuse is still a prevailing issue in Hong Kong. Each year, more than 2000 people are reported to have taken illicit drugs for the first time.[6] This can be attributed to Hong Kong's relatively lenient punishment for those found to have possessed illegal drugs and adolescent's receptive viewpoint regarding drug use as a normal part of leisure, as well as easy access of party drugs in club settings. Sometimes, the judge will only ask the offender to bind over or charge the offender with a fine after they are convicted.[7]
Drug abuse in Hong Kong - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Still I say you should be knowledgeable about the social, pharmacological & chemical laws concering DMT until you take it. OP's question indicated to me that he/she does not know.
Not only would i advise NOT to take DMT at your age OP (i know you're 14); I would also advise:
Don't start smoking. Really, its a shitty drug; totally not worth it. Same as Alcohol imho.
Don't start smoking weed. Its a great substance and even healthy UNLESS you're younger than 18-20. Really, just wait, it'll be worth it.
Never touch anything in Pill/powder form; its shit and you know it, not to mention it can/will FUCK YOU UP.
Learn Martial Arts, meditation and yoga instead. Research the topic of shamanism and other forms of mind expansion and if you are 18 you can jumpstart your career as psychonaut.
Don't start smoking. Really, its a shitty drug; totally not worth it. Same as Alcohol imho.
Don't start smoking weed. Its a great substance and even healthy UNLESS you're younger than 18-20. Really, just wait, it'll be worth it.
Never touch anything in Pill/powder form; its shit and you know it, not to mention it can/will FUCK YOU UP.
Learn Martial Arts, meditation and yoga instead. Research the topic of shamanism and other forms of mind expansion and if you are 18 you can jumpstart your career as psychonaut.
Complexity
Being & Becoming
For a 14 years old I suggest lucid dreaming. I personally believe it is even better than meditation.
I had my first lucid dream exepriences at 16 years old, and they completely decompesed and recomposed my mind.
I had my first lucid dream exepriences at 16 years old, and they completely decompesed and recomposed my mind.
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