DOM

[Wax]

I don't think this goes against the discouraged talk but if so mods feel free to close.

Just wondering if DOM is still around these days?

Also any experiences with it would be fun to hear

 

[universecannon]

Since DOM is an RC, and these are discouraged here, i'm sorry to say we can't talk about it unless its in terms of harm reduction/safety issues or similar

 

[endlessness]

UC, thanks for trying to help... Though as I said in the discouraged drugs thread, I think people are being too fast to pull the "this is a discouraged discussion" trigger. Its just about having some good sense. If there is an exagerated amount of discussions regarding other drugs, or if its unsafe or without proper disclaimers, that would be a problem.

But the OP talked about DOM, and he didnt say anything that seemed dangerous or reckless at this point. So instead of saying its discouraged, why dont we try to get some more info here (or let the thread die out naturally if there is no right info)

Like, what do we know about DOM and toxicity? Can anyone pull up scientific articles or reports?

What about source, that would be one potential issue I see. If DOM is coming from typical RC chemical companies, then please be aware of the inherent dangers such as mislabeling and the lack of guarantees regarding possible toxic traces in your product. Thats why it is highly suggested to test your stuff before, and also do micro-doses before (taking 'alergy' doses of less than a milligram and raising gradually over subsequent sessions).
And check this link out regarding analysis, it might be of relevance:

How do analytical methods work? (TLC, UV-Vis Spectrophotometry, GC-MS, LC-MS, etc) - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[universecannon]

oh alright

thanks for clarifying endless

 

[actualfactual]

Just wondering if DOM is still around these days?

No, you'll probaly never see DOM.

If you are interested in the psychedelic amphetamines DOC and DOI are the ones you are most likely to run into.

 

[blue lunar night]

i've had one experience with DOM, @ ~10 mg, almost 4 years ago. here's the report: 'a holy war in my head'

it cannot be overemphasized that DOx are some serious, merciless, knife-in-teeth, take-no-prisoners types...
& i have witnessed several overdoses, either due to it being misrepresented as LSD, or simply through sheer reckless ignorance... one guy fell off a cliff & broke his neck. another was locked up in the local asylum for a few months, & then became a fundamentalist christian for several months after that. fortunately he eventually recovered his old self.
many anecdotes of the infamous 'STP' blotter from the 60's indicate a number of casualties, minds irretrievably shattered.

i'm not trying to spread fear, but the eager-beavers out there need to proceed with the utmost care & responsibility, because these compounds hold much potential for trauma if used inappropriately.

i've had DOB a few times, & was always kind of disgusted with it. it has the personality of a barbarian / berzerker viking, or maybe a schoolyard bully just waiting to give you a black eye & steal your lunch money.
unfortunately it & DOI are the DOx most often encountered for sale in counter-cultural milieus - whether they are represented as such or not.

DOM on the other hand actually had some integrity & inspired respect. it kicked my ass but didn't make me feel alienated or abused. i would be happy to revisit it at the right dose, in the right time & place.

however i suspect that the ultra-obscure DOPR is the crown jewel in the DOx array... (not to get off topic )

please let me know if anything in this post violates the RC Discussion Discouragement & i will edit or delete

p.s.: no reason to be so pessimistic, actualfactual why just a few years ago i figured i'd never come across any kind of RC, & now i could write a book with all the numbers & letters i've ingested ! :surprised

 

[Wax]

Thanks AF!

So while we're on the subject, what actually classifies an RC?
DOM is scheduled in the U.S. and has a bit of time under its belt.

So its there a time frame?
I mean if LSD were 30 years younger would it be an RC?

 

[The Day Tripper]

Thanks AF!

So while we're on the subject, what actually classifies an RC?
DOM is scheduled in the U.S. and has a bit of time under its belt.

So its there a time frame?
I mean if LSD were 30 years younger would it be an RC?

I think the qualification for RC's is their relative newness, and little to no scientific information on human dosing. LSD was actually researched in a clinical sense for many years, whereas the 2c series has very little known human trials, almost none under medical/scientific supervision. IF someone came out with LSD today, it would probably have no chance to be clinically researched like it was years ago before the iron curtain dropped on hallucinogen research. Pretty much, it would be exactly like the 2c's and the route currently being taken to make them illegal.

It seems kind of counter intuitive, to have a ban on some RC's except the ones who have lots of reported human use. Granted, they are more sketchy to deal with for the simple reason that its unknown waters in terms of side affects, etc. But prohibiting talk about new chemicals will only serve to further obscure true information about these substances. Once again though, there are forum's directly devoted to RC's, and the nexus is all about the classical's, and natural psychedelics.

I think the dividing line should be overall active dose/lethal dose, how long its been around in the public, and possibly a real scientific study into the drugs affects/side affects. LSD, and several other RC's fit this, like DOM, and possibly E.

 

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[SHroomtroll]

I would love to try one of the do-x compounds someday but ive never encounterd them, they seem like some real hardcore stuff and not anything to play with...

I know some guys that swear that doc and doi is their prefered psych of choice... although i know some guys that love bromo dragonfly so peoples opinions are not always that great.

 

[justine]

If you're interested in DOx compounds DOC is probably the best to start with since it has so little bodyload compared to DOM/DOB/DOI (and by the way DOI is usually
considered an uninteresting compound). I had a few DOC trips and even at 12mg the bodyload was less than on a typical phenethylamine trip.

 

[Red Eclipse]

Just wondering if DOM is still around these days?

If you are interested in the psychedelic amphetamines DOC and DOI are the ones you are most likely to run into.

This. I've only ever seen DOC and DOI around.

And of the 2, I'd say that DOC is more rare.
It's synthesis uses pure, liquid chlorine, which is both hazardous and difficult to work with (from what I've read).
Many labs can produce many substances, but there are a few molecules that are difficult to work up properly.

 

[Wax]

Thanks guys,

Its not that I'm out looking for any, let alone willing to eat any of it!
Just seemed like an interesting compound from what I've read on it, and was wondering why I've never heard of it in the "real" world

I'm no fan of RC's, they always SOUND really tempting but I can't see myself gobbling any up anytime soon.

People these days piss me off, they run around pressing any legal RC they can buy online and giving it out as ecstasy to all the kids....
Ya, maybe the kids should be responsible and do their homework, but most don't.
What ever happened to the good old days when you gave drugs to people because you cared for them, instead of trying to get more "paper" for yourself?
It makes me sick.

Anyway, sorry. That was just my little angry side note. Thanks for letting me get it off my chest

 

[justine]

Just wondering if DOM is still around these days?

If you are interested in the psychedelic amphetamines DOC and DOI are the ones you are most likely to run into.

This. I've only ever seen DOC and DOI around.

And of the 2, I'd say that DOC is more rare.
It's synthesis uses pure, liquid chlorine, which is both hazardous and difficult to work with (from what I've read).
Many labs can produce many substances, but there are a few molecules that are difficult to work up properly.

Well DOC hasn't been synthetized (or, rather, that's very unlikely) between 2006 and a few months ago but right now it is very much available.

Working with liquid chlorine isn't an issue otherwise 2C-C (the 2C analog of DOC/3C-C) would be hard to synth.
and it's definitely not the case, actually 2C-C is even the cheapest 2C.
What I've read is that if there is too much liquid chlorine added the end result tend to be 3,4,6-trichloro-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine
(DOC is 4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine) which is also active but about 4 time less potent.

 

[Infinite I]

A friend of mines ended up losing it for a bit after taking too much DOC. He had DOC tabs he made himself but made an error and took too much, was tripping for like 35 hours, didnt see or hear from him for a while then when I did contact him he didnt want to see anyone and had been seeing a psychiatrist. I was quite excited to hear of it then that happened and its kinda put me off but I read loads of reports about it and it sounded great but I would have to invest in an expensive scale and the drug itself which is available in various places at the moment, my friend is back to normal now thankfully, some reports on erowid end with people in psych wards but its always because they took too much. 12mg sounds like a lot Justine!

Also I was told green microdots in the UK in the 90's was DOB, anyone heard that story?

 

[actualfactual]

A friend of mines ended up losing it for a bit after taking too much DOC. He had DOC tabs he made himself but made an error and took too much, was tripping for like 35 hours, didnt see or hear from him for a while then when I did contact him he didnt want to see anyone and had been seeing a psychiatrist.

I recently tried DOC for the first time, I took 4mg and I was tripping for over 20 hours and couldn't sleep until almost 48 hours after dosing. It also made me sweat a whole lot so I felt really dirty during the trip. It is interesting stuff, but honestly at this point in my life I'm way to old to be tripping for an entire day straight. If the duration weren't so long it would be one of my favorites. I can't imagine taking 12mg, seems like it would be a difficult couple days.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Have anyone tried the "purple ohm" blotters? they are supposed to contain doi, i found a few of them and wonder about dosage.

Also i will probably store these for a good while before using them so i wonder how sensitive doi is? do i need to keep them in the freezer or can they hold up in room temp for a few months?

 

[justine]

Have anyone tried the "purple ohm" blotters? they are supposed to contain doi, i found a few of them and wonder about dosage.

Also i will probably store these for a good while before using them so i wonder how sensitive doi is? do i need to keep them in the freezer or can they hold up in room temp for a few months?

DOx compounds are rock stable so I wouldn't worry about stability if it really is DOI. You should know however that most people find DOI to be one of the least enjoyable DOx, along with DOB.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Wow i can´t beleive it! an old friend was in town and gave me a late xmas gift, 4blotters containing 2,5mg doc per piece.

I just gave up looking for this compound a few months ago since its illegal here so no way i would order it.

Anyway i´m pumped to try this but i def feel that set&setting need to perfect for a long experience like this.

I´m going away to a forest festival in 5weeks and i´m thinking that´s the place to do it.

Anyway if anyone has some ideas or pointers to what i should think about when using this one? and yeah i´m def bringing some benzos for this, never use em but for a +18h ride i will feel alot better to have them close by.