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Zipstor

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Hi,

I'm new here and hope I can get some help with the way I'm attempting to perform a satisfying extraction. I've been trying to replicate 2 methods with Acacia Acuminata root bark I have ordered in western Australia.

I've started with the non toxic method that I found here on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/2qrhcb/non_toxic_grocery_store_based_extraction_tek

Also tried the one from "DMT Handbook" that seems to be Australian and uses Shelac, it can be found here https://www.scribd.com/document/385582098/Dmt-Handbook

It's hard for me to descibe all the steps I went through precisely as I've done them throughout several days.

I do have a good grasp of those extraction methods as I understand the concept of chemistry, being myself ashamed to be an accredited electo chemistry engineer specialised in R&D. I won't blame my ADHD for those failures but here is what I have got with me for now, knowing that the Shellac method did not specifically give any instructions about the amount of root bark to use so I went with the amount of 50g.

Handbook method after 2 pulls put together

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Non toxic method after 1 pull

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I have kept both solutions in a safe place ready for further treatment as clearly there is something I've done wrong of not well enough.

I'm ready to start fresh tomorrow perhaps with this method https://www.scribd.com/document/385582098/Dmt-Handbook as I still have plenty of root bark to play with

Here is the batch of Shellite type tech I have kept aside its on my bench in the garage

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Shall I start again with a method that is a bit clearer or shall I just get retired?

Cheers guys
 
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Hello, welcome.

This handbook?
Wiki - [Nydex] The Nexian DMT Handbook (I have trouble accessing scribd).

Collecting rootbark kills Acicia trees. It's better not to support such enterprises, especially since satisfactory results can be achieved using phyllodes. These can be collected without harming the tree.

It looks like you can try again with the shellite, so don't throw anything away just yet. Just separate off the solvent and pop it in the freezer. Can you describe in your own words what you've done so far in each of the extractions? The more details you can give, the easier it is to troubleshoot. [I couldn't read through all the waffle of the reddit post to find out what you may or may not have done.]

@acacian knows more about this than me, but I do recall them having said that acacias lend themselves to A/B extraction far better than STB, so that's something you ought to look into.

All of the necessary resources are (to the best of our ability) here on this forum so, with all due respect to reddit and the like, this is probably where the information originated from, and we have accumulated some considerable level of expertise here over the years. Have a thorough look through the forum before embarking on a new extraction. Then you'll be far more likely to perform it successfully and thus avoid wasting precious bark.
 
Yes, this place is a blessing. Now looking onto the A/B method that is provided on this platform. Will decide later what to do with my first 2 solutions, once I will have gained a bit more experience for this type of extraction method(s). Happy to buy my root bark as I'm a newbie and will later look into sourcing it myself reponsably later. Many thanks.

FYI the DMT Handbook I mentionned is the Viracocha method The DMT Handbook - DMT-Nexus Wiki

I have looked into this section just then A/B and I noticed that the pictures are missing onto this one EXTRACTION GUIDE: Principles of Alkaloid Extraction (in relation to N,N-Dimethyltryptamine)

Then I followed this link Category:Acid/Base - DMT-Nexus Wiki and got a bit confused, I don't know what to do having a look at them titles...

I will then start work on this one since the writer says it's friendly for newcomers TEK: Boil n Base V1.2 updated

It looks like you can try again with the shellite, so don't throw anything away just yet. Just separate off the solvent and pop it in the freezer. Can you describe in your own words what you've done so far in each of the extractions? The more details you can give, the easier it is to troubleshoot. [I couldn't read through all the waffle of the reddit post to find out what you may or may not have done.
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This is the one from the Viracocha method, it said in there to throw 200g of caustic soda, I went "whaaaaat!!??" as I did not know how much root bark this guy was processing, so I've lowered it down to 50g since he was using 5L containers. Shall I increase the amount of this product in my solution? Maybe that's why my yeild is poor. It must be noted that even though it has spent 24hs in the freezer, and many many hours in the yet, weak autumn natural infra reds, and not even one single solid crystal.
 
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Just do a standard A/B, (vinegar and lye), don't stress about ph levels as long as the ph is low for the cook and above 12 for the base. Acuminata will leave you with the issue of emulsion when you shake in the shelitte, just use a little extra lye to rectify it. Do the pulls straight after basing it with lye, the heat from the lye reaction will help pull more dmt from the base to the shelitte. Freeze precipitate the pulls. You can evap alittle shelitte if you have too much shelitte combined (not 100% necessary but it can help).

Now shelitte is not the best in Australia so switch the last pull with xylene. You'll get a lot more dmt out of base soup, it'll be oily and take a week or so to solidify into a wax. But don't be fooled it's still dmt And can double your yeild. Xylene has to be evaporated though, you can't freeze precipitate.
 
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Spot on. Emultion all right, I mean, it's a foam that just wont break no matter what. What I will do now, since being in Australia is making me to be out of phase with the rest of the forum supposidely, I will add some lye now and give it a gentle swirl.

I have been using shellac because of viracocha's, but more than happy to use xylene for the next pulls. I will buy some today since the hardware store is open (tomorrow going to pull ushrooms in te forest as here it's autumn).

Thing is, in viracocha's he says that the temperature is important when you add the solvent. Even though it's now too late, I have already basified the solution, is it okey to take it to boil again and wait 20mns?

Is there a method that inclides xylene that I can have a look at?
 
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I'm confused by what you mean by shellac that's a polish, mainly ethanol and other ingredients iirc. Not something I'd use.

I think you are over thinking it with these teks, they're all the same principles if you understand the basic chemistry. Just do a standard a/b with your powderised root bark and use vinegar and lye, use a bit more lye if you get emulsion. Shake in the solvent when the base is nice and hot (you can always heat the base) just ensure there's no solvent near open flames. Then pull with shelitte and separate with pipette, freeze precipitate and for the last pull use xylene and evap. That's as simple as it needs to be.
 
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Jumped on the chat room, feel free to join as I don't know if anyone will be keen to help with that
 
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Xylene has to be evaporated though, you can't freeze precipitate.
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As an alternative to evaporating, would you say that pulling back into acid and then running it through lye and shellite might be worth a pop? The chemistry of this appears sound enough but I haven't specifically extracted from acacia. There seems to be this specific difficulty with pulling from the acacia brew, but I've not yet seen anywhere whether it applies to a subsequent mini A/B.
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I'm confused by what you mean by shellac that's a polished, mainly ethanol and other ingredients iirc. Not something I'd use.
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Autocorrect shenannigans, clearly should be shellite :D
 
Thanks for your real time help on the chat @_Trip_ this method made sense, did not have to pour all my caustic soda and got some yield. I have some questions moving forward that I came back to ask.
 
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