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Endogenous DMT

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You should know, You are the Hyperspace member! :)
Hyperspace is a ,,fourth dimension", where are apllied laws of quantum physics, filled with inteligent beings which have a slightly unpleasant sense of humour, so different from ours. :) Yes, I am talking about the famous ,,tykes".
Correct, but psychedelics from psylocibin upwards does reveal existence of a ,,higher dimension", different from that in which humans live. How is this possible? Astronomists didn´t tell about the ,,hyperspace". Only place where You can find out about this ,,hyperspace" is Dexter´s laboratory. :)
 
wake up, son.
hyperspace isn't reality, it's surreality.
good luck trying to tie quantum physics with altered consciousness, I had the same idealistic views about ten years ago. you couldn't publish anything tangible on the matter, because you couldn't show any evidence correlating the two.

sure it may be my fav molecule for altered consciousness, but it's by no means paramount to my existence.
 
^^Yes its sort of the same way I feel about psychedelics at this point benzyme. Which is why I bring up the question to you master of plants. If only to make you consider the many possibilities out there. I was once very optimistic that psychedelics were the key to understanding what I am and what lies beyond our normal waking consciousness. They have taught me so much about so many things but...One can learn much in these realms but SWIMs approach is to not take it too seriously and try to remain objective on what one experiences.
 
OK, daddy!
No matter how we call it, it´s out there, waiting for us.
Laws of quantum physics are applied in the fourth dimension, altered consiousness doesn´t play a role, even when DMT i. e. hyperspace.
 
DMT has been found to be present in all humans and does not show variations based on time or other behaviors. Thus it appears to play a role in normal waking physiology. It is not likely to play some magical role. It is not present to allow us to trip or enter HYPERSPACE. It is always present in constant amounts. There are several papers published on the subject I suggest you look into them.

DMT acts on the regions of the brain involved in sensory perception. Thus obviously it creates novel experiences, this does not mean that this is a real reality it allows us to access. This is ridiculous and completely unfounded. There are plenty of drugs which cause intense hallucinations (scopolamine) where you have communication with beings yet for some reason people have this fascination with DMT. Just because the experience is incredible and intense and meaningful doesn't mean it occurred outside of the brain in some real reality. The brian is a very powerful organ, it creates everything you know, see, taste, smell, feel, think, thus it is not difficult for it when altered to create these types of experiences.

Also dreams point out the fact that the brain is capable of generating complex sensory information without sensory input.

If people keep talking about this ridiculous alien landscape stuff people are going to think DMT makes people go crazy and i wouldn't blame them although SWIM knows plenty of people who use DMT and do not believe this crap. You are taking a hallucinogenic drug (a very potent one) and claiming the hallucinations are real. Neuroscientists know to an extent which areas of the brain these drugs act on, more research is needed but it is clear that these illusions result from an alteration of the areas of the CNS involved in perception, emotions, language and complex understanding.

Endogenous DMT may very well play a role in regulating waking sensory perception and other consciousness related processes (Wallach 2009). This would explain the complex effects and is more fascinating then believing it is present to allow us to access aliens.

Quantum Physics is more than just mere theory. Quantum Mechanic obeys very specific laws. It has been proven just because it obeys different laws than general physics does not mean it does not obey laws. It is an observation of the behavior of matter at the quantum level. It is indisputable observations. It may not be the end all logic of the universe but it is never the less an accurate observation of reality on that relative scale which is all we can ask. Anyway this means nothing however, the DMT experience is nothing like quantum mechanics. This is an absolutely ridiculous assertion. People throw around QM without understanding shit about it.
 
DMT is a chemical. It is a chemical that can be used as a pharmacological tool to probe the regions of the CNS involved in the generation of subjective experience. It is not magical, it is a drug that alters regions of the CNS involved in constructing a conscious view of reality. Of course it is going to create meaningful complex illusions. The way consciousness is constructed we do not even know if anything but this complex illusions are even possible. Thus these types of experience seems somewhat inevitable with the way that the brains acts to create a unified view of reality. This is to say that intermediate experiences do not seem to exist, the minds view of reality is an all or nothing process.

Very diverse pharmacological agents create this type of complex experience. Kappa antagonists, NMDA antagonists, anti-muscarinic drugs and the classical hallucinogens (5-HT, TAAR drugs). Thus these experiences seem inevitable if the consciousness generating regions of the CNS are altered. This fascination with DMT is ridiculous and unfounded. Just because something would be cool does not mean it is real or even a possibility.
 
I do not have time/space to answer every Your argument - as Stereophonics say, maybe tomorrow :) -, but You have talent to crush people´s hopes to dust.
Quantum physics? Shamans know best!
 
Master of plants said:
Exactly! My brain created this hamburger I´m eating! :lol: Silly...
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Your experience of the hamburger is created by your brain. The world you experience, your consciousness, exists within your brain. I did not say that some external world does not exist that your brian interprets. Thus the hamburger has an existence however the hamburger that you experience and the "hands" you hold it with is your brains interpretation of the interaction between the hamburger and your sensory organs. There is no such things as taste, color, and smell of a hamburger in the physical world just chemicals, photons.... I am not implying that the physical world exits similar to how we experience it (3-D Cartesian space) and I am not going to get into this because I have before and it is complex and takes time to explain that I do not have. But if you are interested i can direct you to some QM theories such as quantum field theory.

I am not trying to cross your dreams, but rather get to the truth of the matter. The truth seems more fascinating to me then these science fiction beliefs. I wish to understand the processes of the brain that create subjective experience.
 
Philosophy calls this solipsism. Brain can not be blamed for everything, it is just organ as every else, with incomparably more nerves than any other. Recently bought small encyclepaedia ´bout brain, but it´s so boring/I´m not an neurobiologist... Still think most important fact ´bout brain is the N, N - dimethyltryptamine. It´s realm of freedom, hapinness and everything on what people depends. Thanks for the theories, but I am not an mechanic, so... :) Playing CJ Lewis - Sweets For My Sweet over & over again, what You think about this, am I a good lab rat? Bullshit psychology... Choosing between neurosciences/DMT, voting for DMT.

Eating ´burger 2 times/weekend, fortunately in a 3D cartesian space, but the onion and cucumber, bleah... :)
 
but You have talent to crush people´s hopes to dust.
Quantum physics? Shamans know best!
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You should reread what Bufoman is trying to explain to you!!

Your hopes are dust (just like everyone elses), & so is your hamburger, without your brain to decode them into hopes & hamburgers for you to enjoy!

Did you ever do the experiment in high school science where you take a bite of an apple & chew it, while smelling a piece of an orange? The apple tastes like an orange even though it looks like an apple to your eyes & feels like an apple in your mouth. Your brain however, tastes (thinks it is) an orange because the sense of smell is stronger than (& somewhat responsible for) the sense of taste. Also, the sensory data given off by the orange is stronger than the sensory data given off by the apple. (something like that, its been a long time since high school) Try it!!

The apple & the orange are both there in "reality" regardless of whether the person doing the test is there or not. Your brain becomes aware of them when you see, touch, taste or smell them, It then creates your impression of this "reality". In this experiment you are blending the two different senses together through the input data you have given your brain to decode.
Strong psychedelics are similar in effect, taking all of the bodies sensory input & mixing it so-to-speak, creating what some perceive as an alternate reality. It can seem just as real, or even more real then everyday "reality", as all of the normal sensory data is still there just in a profoundly different way.

Anyway, I agree with Buf., the complexities of how our brains interpret this space we exist in & how that can be changed so dramatically when only a few chems are rearranged, is far more fascinating to me than the "DMT is the basis of everything & will be the future of our existence" idea.
Unfortunately, one actually has to research & work to understand these things better, which just isn't as fun as believing aliens are coming to take us back to Eden through DMT.
And it's definitely much easier to just believe a science fiction story than it is to research & understand facts. Apparently!!

Recently bought small encyclepaedia ´bout brain, but it´s so boring/I´m not an neurobiologist... Still think most important fact ´bout brain is the N, N - dimethyltryptamine.
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You do realize without all the other chems, compounds, meat & bones forming your body & mind, that the N,N,DMT in your brain would just sit there doing absolutely nothing!! Much like extracted DMT does, unless you put it in your body & allow it to mix with everything else that makes you interpret your existence!!


Thanks for the facts Buf.

WS
 
ahh, ignorance is bliss.

WS

Philosophy calls this solipsism. Brain can not be blamed for everything, it is just organ as every else, with incomparably more nerves than any other. Recently bought small encyclepaedia ´bout brain, but it´s so boring
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Your a bit off in you understanding of the word solipsism.
It is actually the belief that a persons mind (& only that person's mind) is the only "real" thing in existence.
As in, a god-complex. "My thoughts are the only thing I know exists for sure, so I must be responsible for creating all of this world around me?!?"
Quite the sickness, and not even close to what Bufoman. & others are trying to explain to you.

The brain doesn't create or control the world around you at all, but without your brain to read & interpret the sensory data, it would be like trying to read a book written in another language. The information is all there, it just doesn't mean anything until it is decoded into your language.

Ever have a DMT experience where everything is just moving & changing way to fast (more than normal) to take any of it in & make any kind of sense out of it? Where your seeing visions but as soon as you "look" at it, its already changed into & out of 1,000,000 other things. For me when that kind of experience happens I get very uncomfortable & confused as to where/when/who I am, until things begin to slow down & subside.

Ever have a CD get stuck on "fast-forward", while in "Random Playback" mode?
What you hear is the random jumping from bit-to-bit over the entire CD (instead of just one song like normal), which makes no sense as your brain tries to logically tie the quick bursts of information back together, but none of it fits together correctly so what you perceive is a jumbled mess of sounds that confuses & disorientates you mind.


Still think DMT an reality 2 scape in.
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?!?!?WTF?!?!?

OK, I think I'm done trying here....brickwall...


WS
 
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