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..in the 90s when the DMT extraction world was a little fresher, and more guided by experienced chemists, there was no obsession with the end-product being crystals..

in the ordinary world of phytochemical extraction, a simple A/B or STB as done by most nexians, would be said to result in the CRUDE ALKALOIDS..
crystalization requires either re-crystalization (up to several times) and/or separation of compounds in some cases..

BUT, the crude alkaloid is perfectly OK (if were talking mainly tryptamines/betacarbolines) and FINE..perhaps less convenient to handle, but most goo is mostly DMT..

the very first set of instructions i ever read for extracting DMT from plants (in Psychedelic Illuminations magazine) in 1991 said that, after evaporating the non-polar solvent, the resulting SOLID OR OIL is the DMT..

people need to get this imbedded in the psyche and save themselves a lot of un-needed worry, or worse still waste of perfectly good plant alkaloids..

in the Acacia Analysis Thread you will see an example of how a goo/paste is actually over 92% DMT..
[see image attached below]

remaining an oil form is due to either small amounts of beta-carbolines and/or NMT..
often such 'oils' will soldify eventually after a couple of weeks..

so, unless you like meticulous, fiddly lab techniques, just enjoy what the plants give you..sometimes you get crystals..
just be sure it's a species known to have had DMT demonstrated in it..
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below 92%+ DMT with small amount NMT, betacarbolines and traces..
 

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Myself and a friend tried some and it is very active, no harshness or hot burning sensation so as far as I can tell, if there is anything bad in their it is very minute.

EDIT: I do plan on re-xing as well but just waiting for another batch in the freezer. For re-x is it 50ml nps for every gram of spice?
 
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WhereEaglesDare said:
Myself and a friend tried some and it is very active, no harshness or hot burning sensation so as far as I can tell, if there is anything bad in their it is very minute.

EDIT: I do plan on re-xing as well but just waiting for another batch in the freezer. For re-x is it 50ml nps for every gram of spice?
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Depends on the NPS, but for heptane 20-30mL is plenty if it is hot enough. Haven't used VM&P naphtha for a re-x but I believe it is about the same. Your best bet would be to heat up more than you need to near-boiling temperatures, and just add it with a dropper until all the DMT dissolves.
 
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I obtained xtals just on the first extraction attempt from ACRB and yesterday in the last one....
From the second to ystday i everytime obtained goo...

What i learned:
I will never use a turkey baster more,it's plastic. On the first extraction it was translucent, but the day after the extraction it was cloudy, it means that it reacts with the basic soup or with the naphta imho.
I started to use a 50ml glass siringe with clear white xtals resulting.
I think already that a good defatting after the pulls is highly recommended, because i saw that after you add the DMT-Rich NPS to the acidic water for defating it got a goo-like goldish color.
A good pre evaporation until cloudy it's a must!

I have a question: i have some stored exane that if i blow over it it become cloudy, it means that there is some dmt inside?
 
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So i did now several extraction from an Acacia confusia and had a lot of transparent goo and hope it is all "nmt" :)

i especially cared about the pulls and know that there where no dirty lye in it i cleaned them all out the stains..

on the left was my last extraction which i made from the 3 pull and small yellow crystals formed in the dish which when i scraped together and it came out this yellow crystals..and a little bit of goo orange=yellow soup..

on the right is goo which i let dry out and scraped together, only goo was in the dish at the beginning (clear) then after a week it dry out and formed some long ratio thin crystals...

what do you think...good goo or to rethink about?

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Uhm, imagine following highly hypothetical scenario:

One puts fifty grams of dried and crushed chaliponga leaves into a pot and just pours enough IPA over it so it gets all well dunked.
One one heats this up to exactly 80°C and slowly "cooks" away the IPA, while stirring that mix.
And just before the last bit of IPA is gone, the heat is turned off and the rest is taken by simply letting it evaporate without further heating...

Now one might have this green goo stuff.

And now one realizes, that one doesn't know what to begin with said green stuff^^

What would one do with this green stuff to get a nice journey, if it is possible, without further refining it?
 
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Aethereal said:
Uhm, imagine following highly hypothetical scenario:

One puts fifty grams of dried and crushed chaliponga leaves into a pot and just pours enough IPA over it so it gets all well dunked.
One one heats this up to exactly 80°C and slowly "cooks" away the IPA, while stirring that mix.
And just before the last bit of IPA is gone, the heat is turned off and the rest is taken by simply letting it evaporate without further heating...

Now one might have this green goo stuff.

And now one realizes, that one doesn't know what to begin with said green stuff^^

What would one do with this green stuff to get a nice journey, if it is possible, without further refining it?
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The resulting stuff wouldn't be freebased so it wouldn't vaporize like the other goo shown here. There would also be a lot of other stuff in there like chloroform and who knows what else. It would probably not be great for smoking but a hypothetical person could always give it a try once all the alcohol was definitely gone. This is basically how you make crude "hash" oil. If it doesn't work out, you could still probably get the DMT out of the goo.
 
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Aethereal said:
Uhm, imagine following highly hypothetical scenario:
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It might be more practical to separate the leaves from the extract before reducing the extract. Otherwise, you'll be depositing a lot of the concentrate back onto the leaves. That defeats the purpose of making an extract.

Aethereal said:
What would one do with this green stuff to get a nice journey, if it is possible, without further refining it?
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Maybe. Maybe not. In any case there's so many other plant compounds in the extract that it is hard to say what amount to use for an active dose.

Why don't you stick with one of the published and tried-and-true extraction teks first? You should learn to understand the principles underlying an extraction before reinventing a new one. Take your leaves and extract together and use them in one of the teks that fits your preferences. Look on the forum and the wiki for the teks.
 
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The resulting stuff wouldn't be freebased so it wouldn't vaporize like the other goo shown here. There would also be a lot of other stuff in there like chloroform and who knows what else
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You probably misspelled "chlorophyll" (the green stuff of plants) as "chloroform" (a chlorinated organic solvent).

Stuff doesn't need to be a freebase to be vaporizable. Many stuffs that are not an alkaloid in freebase form can still be vaporized. For example chloroform (don't inhale vapors though). Other stuff may not vaporize, but may instead decompose into other stuff made of smaller bits. For example chloophyll. When pyrolyzed it turns into tarry crud and acrid smokes.
 
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pitubo said:
OneStepBeyond said:
The resulting stuff wouldn't be freebased so it wouldn't vaporize like the other goo shown here. There would also be a lot of other stuff in there like chloroform and who knows what else
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You probably misspelled "chlorophyll" (the green stuff of plants) as "chloroform" (a chlorinated organic solvent).

Stuff doesn't need to be a freebase to be vaporizable. Many stuffs that are not an alkaloid in freebase form can still be vaporized. For example chloroform (don't inhale vapors though). Other stuff may not vaporize, but may instead decompose into other stuff made of smaller bits. For example chloophyll. When pyrolyzed it turns into tarry crud and acrid smokes.
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Decomposed chloroform will more than likely kill you ;)
 
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Hey, thanks for all your advice :)
Very helpful :)

I created this "scenario" just for the case one doesn't have immediate access to all needed "simple tek" ingredients, but a quite infinite and almost free access to IPA.
Ah, and the scenario of course contained a part, where the plant material is removed and everything filtered several times, but I didn't write it down.

OK, someone might do "that tek with baking soda, vinegar, plant oil and IPA" the next time, when one has available all the ingredients...

And one is not that unfond of having "impurities", since just cooking up everything in water will pull as well more than just the fairy dust.
And I'm aware that IPA washes out far more contents than simply hot water.

If the "taste" is somewhere in the vicinity of ayahuasca, well, should be OK, is not that great, but one has a sturdy stomach and an iron tongue ;)

OK, cool so far :)
Can one mix it up with some tobakko and just burn it the good old glass bong way, or should one build a vaporizer? I think gobbling it down without a MAOI would be futile?
 
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Hola men good travel at all:thumb_up:
I've extarcted from acacia(I've follwed The "cybs extract tek"on this site)And The result is a dark yellow goo(with some xstal on It);I've smoked It yesterday:The effect isn't Very psichedelic (I've tasted It Very Little and I hadn't a lot of visions)But it's Very Very introspective8)
how Can I share an Image of its To show Your and have some advice? (It was My First extraction)
Thanks At all
 

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Hi, i'm new member and new to extract and smoke dmt, my first try (acrb) i follow the step to get crystal but was frustating, slow and time/naphta consuming...so i end up with some crystal and some more goo, i like the goo, it's more simple evaporate the nafta and stop....maybe if i became more expert i can try the crystall...

But i find very difficult to scrape off this thing, i don't like to use some leaf for it so, i read that i can redissolve in solvent (can be ok acetone ?) and put in a container, but i can freeze the goo and scrape of when frozed ? will became more solid ?

Thanks, this confirmation of the goo make me happy, it's a lot more easy for me and a lot more organic thing.
 
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Thanks for the clarification Nen.

I'm a new member. I did my 1st extraction using the Cyb/Earthwalker tek. I was really quite proud as I had never attempted any type of extraction before.

When I shared the result I wanted to title my post as a confirmation/verification of the newbie friendly aspect of the tek. However I was unsure of the quality of my extraction and instead posted an enquiry about wax or goo. I have just retitled my post, as I'm now confident that my extraction was a success.


Peace.
 
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