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TEK Ethyl acetate approach [CIELO]

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_Trip_ said:
On any medications?
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No dude, I didn't use medications or psychedelics. I didn't even use marijuana.
I have been using cactus powder for years and I am a good grower. I have a lot of experience in usage, but I have little experience in chemistry, so I'm asking you if I might have made a mistake during production. You are very caring, I owe you a debt of gratitude.
 

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I recently did two cielo extractions and I am getting similar results as jingamin. Both were 100g extractions following the tek and using mag stirrer in the precipitation step. First extraction I used fresh EA, then neutralized with washing soda and reused for the second. I used the water amounts from the update (130 + 130) for both. I needed the full 260 ml for both, anything less was too dry. No extra water was used. Citric acid at 20mg/g was used for both runs.

jingamin said:
I'm sorry but I don't think this is mescaline.
I rinsed it with a little ethyl acetate. Then I dried it. This looks more like lime than anything else. I tasted it and ;
It tasted like calcium oxide , and so did its appearance.
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I got the expected small crystals, along with similar stuff stuck on the walls. I thought maybe they were crystals but they were soft and pasty. I filtered and dried and stored for a few days before trying it out.

FIrst time I took 520mg in juice, second time I took 650mg in water. First time I didn't taste it. Second time the flavor was tart, not bitter. Both times I got no effects from the powder. No other medications or drugs bring used.

This is a marquis test on plain cactus powder and the mescaline extract. Both were 10 minutes old in the pic. Right pic is the marquis chart for positive mescaline. Looks like the cactus is active but maybe not the extract? Or the extract is weak?
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This is my first experience with mescaline so I don't know the flavor. But from my understanding, it's supposed to be bitter. The raw cactus leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, but the extract definitely has a sour taste. Is it possible that there are side reactions happening?
 
Wiki said:
Drop ~5 grams (~1 teaspoon) of citric acid into extract. ... . Allow the citric acid to dissolve by diffusion without stirring. ... . If the citric acid is anhydrous and/or coarse it may take a while to dissolve, however it WILL dissolve fully
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I dropped 5g in 1.2L of EA without stirring and at the end I found citric acid not dissolved when i scratched the xtals (it was under a coat of mescaline citrate). What would be the best ratio (citric acid/EA volume) to have exces acid totaly dissolved ?

By the way, I love this tek cause no boiling for hours (y)
 
Hey,
I don't live in the US, and I am having a hard time finding: Ethyl Acetate and Citric Acid.
I went to any hardware store around and wasn't able to find those.
Where are they usually sold?
Do they go by any other name?
Is there any replacements I can use to perform CIELO method?
 
IKilledSanta said:
Hey,
I don't live in the US, and I am having a hard time finding: Ethyl Acetate and Citric Acid.
I went to any hardware store around and wasn't able to find those.
Where are they usually sold?
Do they go by any other name?
Is there any replacements I can use to perform CIELO method?
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Firstly, I'm not in Oz, so take that as a disclaimer from the outset!

Citric acid is a culinary ingredient that can often be found in middle eastern type grocers, and it may or may not be available in domestic supply stores as a descaling agent. It was quite hard to find in the UK for a time, apparently to discourage the heroin addicts :confused:

Ethyl acetate may be available from specialist plumbing suppliers as a pipe welding solvent for PS waste pipes, where it gets dubbed as "MEK substitute" (in N America, at least). A similar solvent to look out for is butyl acetate, which appears to work for its own version of CIELO (therefore, "CIBLO") but the crystallisation step with the citric acid may well require some refinements, since the solubility of both water and citric in the BA is lower than in EA. Anyhow, butyl acetate may get sold as a general-purpose cleaning solvent but as I say, I know nothing of the Australian retail market and understand you may have something of a nanny state problem at least as bad as the EU!
 
Transform said:
Firstly, I'm not in Oz, so take that as a disclaimer from the outset!

Citric acid is a culinary ingredient that can often be found in middle eastern type grocers, and it may or may not be available in domestic supply stores as a descaling agent. It was quite hard to find in the UK for a time, apparently to discourage the heroin addicts :confused:

Ethyl acetate may be available from specialist plumbing suppliers as a pipe welding solvent for PS waste pipes, where it gets dubbed as "MEK substitute" (in N America, at least). A similar solvent to look out for is butyl acetate, which appears to work for its own version of CIELO (therefore, "CIBLO") but the crystallisation step with the citric acid may well require some refinements, since the solubility of both water and citric in the BA is lower than in EA. Anyhow, butyl acetate may get sold as a general-purpose cleaning solvent but as I say, I know nothing of the Australian retail market and understand you may have something of a nanny state problem at least as bad as the EU!
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Thank you!
I'll search around for the Citric Acid in a cooking & backing store I have nearby, maybe they would have it.
I live in the middle east, where it is really hard to find those type of chemicals.

Thank you for this information, I hope it will help me find anything
 
For the ethyl acetate you may need to distill your own from nail polish remover. Check the ingredients to make sure if it has ethyl acetate and NOT acetone. You can then make a 'DIY' distillation setup and get fairly pure solvent. You will need to salt brine wash to help separate the water and solvent. And distill the solvent to remove the minor impurities. Here in Brasil the nail polish removers you can recover around 40-45% ethyl acetate depending on the brand.

You can use sodium carbonate (backed baking soda) with cielo but may end up with goo due to needed a specific amount of water content.
 
modern said:
For the ethyl acetate you may need to distill your own from nail polish remover. Check the ingredients to make sure if it has ethyl acetate and NOT acetone. You can then make a 'DIY' distillation setup and get fairly pure solvent. You will need to salt brine wash to help separate the water and solvent. And distill the solvent to remove the minor impurities. Here in Brasil the nail polish removers you can recover around 40-45% ethyl acetate depending on the brand.
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That sound great! I'll start reading the nail polish labels to find one without Acetone!

modern said:
You can use sodium carbonate (backed baking soda) with cielo but may end up with goo due to needed a specific amount of water content.
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sodium carbonate instead of the Ethyl Acetate?
 
IKilledSanta said:
That sound great! I'll start reading the nail polish labels to find one without Acetone!


sodium carbonate instead of the Ethyl Acetate?
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Fabulous - I totally forgot about the nail polish remover, despite having several bottles lined up for exactly what @modern says!

Just bear in mind, if it's commixed with ethanol it can be exceedingly difficult to separate EA from EtOH as they have very similar boiling points.
 
IKilledSanta said:
Thank you all.
If I won't find any of those, I'll might just try A/B extraction. Sodium hydroxide is easy to find
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Do you have a solvent you have access to? I personally like xylene over ethyl acetate but I can't find in stores. Maybe limonene would be easier for you to find?
 
Transform said:
Fabulous - I totally forgot about the nail polish remover, despite having several bottles lined up for exactly what @modern says!

Just bear in mind, if it's commixed with ethanol it can be exceedingly difficult to separate EA from EtOH as they have very similar boiling points.
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Would the salt brine fix this? The alcohol dissolves the salt so shouldn't remain in solution with EtOAc are atleast not in double digit percentage. When I went this route I had to wash 3x with saturated salt brine water to pull the impurities and alcohol. Pretty sure all the nail polish with ethyl acetate use alcohol mixed. Distilling removes any additives like oils and fragrance and color. To separate the alcohol is with salt brine.
 
Hi.

I have approximately 1kg of 3x lysed green pulp in the freezer. I was studying CIELO TEK, but it seems that it doesn't work for me...

I thought about taking the green pulp, boiling it with water for 2 hours in a pressure cooker, filtering it, basifying it with NaOH and extracting the liquid-liquid with EA.

and then continuing with CIELO.

Could anyone comment?
 
FractAlien said:
Hi.

I have approximately 1kg of 3x lysed green pulp in the freezer. I was studying CIELO TEK, but it seems that it doesn't work for me...

I thought about taking the green pulp, boiling it with water for 2 hours in a pressure cooker, filtering it, basifying it with NaOH and extracting the liquid-liquid with EA.

and then continuing with CIELO.

Could anyone comment?
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That sounds like problems. If you can, spread the pulp out thinly on baking sheets or similar and dry it. Airflow is better than heat, and this may take numerous batches over several days.

Once the pulp is cracker dry it can be powdered and stored - of course, you can powder the first batch while the second batch is drying, and the more trays that you can use, the sooner this gets done. And once you have sufficient powder you can then proceed with a standard CIELO.

Drying has been found to alter the cactus mucilage in such a way that it becomes much easier to work with as a lime paste. Treating fresh pulp with lime (for example) produces difficulties, partly on account of excess water and largely because of its terrible sliminess. This is why cactus extraction typically involves prolonged boiling ((n)), or drying of the cactus material.
 
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