Experienced DMT Users - I need your advice.

[wage.]

I have the opportunity to obtain a reasonable amount of DMT. Enough to experiment anything from 5mg-10mg and upwards to familiarize myself. I know that a low dose is a world apart from a breakthrough dose so I would like some advice from those who have broken through.

I'm concerned about how I will integrate such an experience. I smoked a low dose once before, the effect slightly psychedelic, it were as if the air had changed, everything was the same but different. I couldn't put my finger on it but I had this intense feeling that this was only the tip of a very large iceberg.

I don't know if I subscribe to the idea of actual entities that exist, I'm unsure if it's just an extremely complex hallucination taking place because of Dimethyltryptamine suddenly taking over many of Serotonins functions. It's like an analogy I read on another forum, think of it like a computer program, one line of code changed can create a huge difference in how the program functions.

Basically I need advice from anyone who would consider themselves knowledgeable enough to help me out on this.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

What's your question? Do hyperspace entities exist? No one knows that answer just smoke more and see how you feel about it for yourself. I recommend not pussyfooting around with the elfspice too much. People find the initial effects a little intimidating and as a result never make it to the higher doses. Load 30mg. Then 50mg. You won't regret it and all your questions about entities will be resolved. Or just opened up on a whole new level

 

[Global]

There are plenty of threads on entities. Here's the most recent discussion

Also, I'm a bit unclear of what your question is as well. Could you clarify and re-state?

 

[Eliyahu]

Sober reality is also an extremely complex hallucenation taking place....
Either way there are plenty of people who smoke DMT that don't believe in extities and they still seem to get something out of the experience any way.....I guess.

Also, bic lighters are not the best way to go for smoking especially if you are going to use an oil burner type pipe....

you may want to consider changing you avatar to a torch lighter, or maybe a match stick...

 

[wage.]

Sober reality is also an extremely complex hallucenation taking place....
Either way there are plenty of people who smoke DMT that don't believe in extities and they still seem to get something out of the experience any way.....I guess.

Also, bic lighters are not the best way to go for smoking especially if you are going to use an oil burner type pipe....

you may want to consider changing you avatar to a torch lighter, or maybe a match stick...

I'll take it on board, possibly a candle for my Second try.

Sorry for being ambiguous with my question. It isn't really a question, more so just asking for advice.

This will sound stupid but I'm worried about not being able to "unsee" a DMT experience and how I would integrate it.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

Why would you ever want to unsee a DMT experience? I've never understood the fear of witnessing something great. To me that's like, I'm afraid to have sex because it may be awesome.

 

[wage.]

Why would you ever want to unsee a DMT experience? I've never understood the fear of witnessing something great. To me that's like, I'm afraid to have sex because it may be awesome.

The experience could go either way. There's no possible way for me to perceive what it could be like. It just seems as though it would be difficult to relate to people afterwards when you've had this profound experience that's undescribable through normal language.

 

[thisformihold]

As Hunter S. Thompson said, "Buy the ticket, take the ride."

I understand your fear and reluctance though. In short, no you can't unsee it. That's the bottom line. Depending on your memory faculties determines how much of the experience you will bring back with you. I've had some pretty harrowing experiences on LSD in the past where I thought I was going to die or never return from that state, etc. So now I just choose not to partake in LSD. Same thing with mega doses of pot. I get super-paranoid and start thinking about infinity and death and freak myself out. So now I know NOT to get that high.

My point is that you're not going to know until you try. You can imagine what it's going to be like until the elves come home but then you're just going to psyche yourself out even more. Just do it. Or don't.

Personally, I absolutely love spice. It has an intelligence that I crave. I think it's the most beautiful of experiences, even the so-called "bad" ones. And anyway, those rarely, rarely happen.

I'm not trying to convince you to do it, because I would never want to be responsible for someone else's re/actions. If you don't think you're ready to take the leap, then don't do it. Simple as that.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

Why would you ever want to unsee a DMT experience? I've never understood the fear of witnessing something great. To me that's like, I'm afraid to have sex because it may be awesome.

The experience could go either way. There's no possible way for me to perceive what it could be like. It just seems as though it would be difficult to relate to people afterwards when you've had this profound experience that's undescribable through normal language.

I think psychedelics kind of have a built in safety mechanism for that type of stuff. As time goes on the experience starts to slip from your memory like a dream and you only remember exactly what it's like when you go back. At this very moment I can sit here and discuss the entities and pretend I know what I'm talking about, but to be honest my memories are only a vague recollection of what actually happens. If you were to hand me a breakthrough DMT dose right here I'd fall off my chair in fits of laughter and go "How is this possible?? How have I forgotten this?? Oh it feels good to be back!" (in my head of course as i can't actually talk on DMT :roll: ) Then a couple days down the road it'll just be a vague memory that something very bizarre exists out there, but exactly what it is I can't put my finger on.

So to sum it up. You're not going to fall out of society for doing DMT. After a collection of experiences you might compile enough memories to have a sort of life changing impact from the drug, but believe me when I say it's not a bad thing.

 

[Enoon]

Hi WAGE,

like state above, you cannot unsee an experience with dmt, just like you can't unsee any other experience you've had. I hear this a lot that people claim to be unable to relate to "normal" people after their experiences, but personally I can't relate to THAT. I feel this is either some excuse to not relate to others because of some desired elitarianism (i.e. I saw something the other's didn't see, so I must be special) or just bad integration.

So what do you do after you've had a profound experience? How do you relate to other people afterwards? The same way as before... or maybe even with more openness, with a better sense of what and who you are, or with more of a sense of mystery... but in the end it's up to you how you deal with it.

I don't understand why people have so much trouble relating to other people after psychedelics. I can't claim it changed much for me. I never could relate to all, but there were always some to whom I could. If anything my time using dmt intensely made me loosen up when it comes to connecting to other people, because it made me realize that friendship or contact between two beings is not about accomplishing anything ("deep" discussions), nor about having the same ideas/philosophies. Sure this can help, but in the end you can become best friends with someone from a totally different culture who never came into contact with the things you have, who has never heard of timothy leary or dmt or terrence mckenna or whatnot - just because your being resonates with the others being. You can laugh together, you can spend time together, you can share thoughts, you can do things... all this doesn't change just because you take dmt, or just because you travel to India...

Sure, like with every journey, you come back changed. Touched. But you are still human. Just like everyone else. Just because your random person on the street doesn't click with you, doesn't mean you have lost touch with reality.

But you should remember one thing. Don't obsess about dmt. Your friends will get tired of hearing about it if they are not interested in trying it themselves. there is so much in this world that is interesting and worthwhile doing, please don't lose sight of those things. Because of course if you do, the only people left listening to you will be other dmt lovers. Don't close yourself off to the wild and overwhelmingly real experience called "life", of which dmt is only one small part.

and yes, it's amazing.

but it's not the only thing that is...

 

[fairbanks]

It just seems as though it would be difficult to relate to people afterwards when you've had this profound experience that's undescribable through normal language.

If anything strong psychedelic experiences can help with your empathy to relate even more to people than before. Smoking DMT does not give you some kind of esoteric spur to get up on a high horse. If it is than that's YOUR problem not the DMT, and you have a lot of healing to do now...

It's not as much about the psychedelic but how you integrate the experience into your regular character.

 

[Eliyahu]

Enoon wrote:

Your friends will get tired of hearing about it if they are not interested in trying it themselves

And those are the type of "friends" that I can do without...

IMO having lot of friends is over rated and often becomes more like accumilating parasites than making new friends...

I choose my friends carefully, if they are not open minded and interested enough to hear what I have to say when I am passionate about saying it then that probably means they just want to talk about themselves or other mundane things...

Just my quaint observation. I'm sure having friends who don't care about your interests are good for some things, like helping you to move or giving you a ride somewhere other than that I have noticed an abundance of friends is a major hinderance to personal development.

 

[wage.]

Hi WAGE,

like state above, you cannot unsee an experience with dmt, just like you can't unsee any other experience you've had. I hear this a lot that people claim to be unable to relate to "normal" people after their experiences, but personally I can't relate to THAT. I feel this is either some excuse to not relate to others because of some desired elitarianism (i.e. I saw something the other's didn't see, so I must be special) or just bad integration.

So what do you do after you've had a profound experience? How do you relate to other people afterwards? The same way as before... or maybe even with more openness, with a better sense of what and who you are, or with more of a sense of mystery... but in the end it's up to you how you deal with it.

I don't understand why people have so much trouble relating to other people after psychedelics. I can't claim it changed much for me. I never could relate to all, but there were always some to whom I could. If anything my time using dmt intensely made me loosen up when it comes to connecting to other people, because it made me realize that friendship or contact between two beings is not about accomplishing anything ("deep" discussions), nor about having the same ideas/philosophies. Sure this can help, but in the end you can become best friends with someone from a totally different culture who never came into contact with the things you have, who has never heard of timothy leary or dmt or terrence mckenna or whatnot - just because your being resonates with the others being. You can laugh together, you can spend time together, you can share thoughts, you can do things... all this doesn't change just because you take dmt, or just because you travel to India...

Sure, like with every journey, you come back changed. Touched. But you are still human. Just like everyone else. Just because your random person on the street doesn't click with you, doesn't mean you have lost touch with reality.

But you should remember one thing. Don't obsess about dmt. Your friends will get tired of hearing about it if they are not interested in trying it themselves. there is so much in this world that is interesting and worthwhile doing, please don't lose sight of those things. Because of course if you do, the only people left listening to you will be other dmt lovers. Don't close yourself off to the wild and overwhelmingly real experience called "life", of which dmt is only one small part.

and yes, it's amazing.

but it's not the only thing that is...

It isn't to gain a sense of elitism, it's more that I've been reading for years and want to make my own mind up now, because I know it's impossible to perceive what it could possibly be like in my current sober state.

What are some things to learn from a breakthrough dose experience?

 

[fairbanks]

No one can tell you, this is a subjective experience there are no objective answers. You will learn about your self. Psyche (mind) delic (manifest). When you take a psychedelic it is your mind that manifests, the first steps are learning about yourself. Then maybe things will get deeper...

 

[wage.]

Thanks for the advice so far guys.

Here's a photo of the 1 dose I've had. It looks really impure, what would be the content of the impurities? It smelt like a mixture of Old People/Op Shop and this really strong "Grape" odour that I swear I had smelt as a child.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I'd re-x that...no way of knowing what's in there aside from DMT.

 

[fairbanks]

Orange doesn't mean that it's impure. That's some jungle DMT meaning that there's still some plant fat/tannins in it and hasn't been recrystallized by the extractor. It originally was the more common kind of DMT to come by in the 20th century. It's still good to use, just might be a harsher smoke. God speed WAGE

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

How to recrystallize one might ask

Drop DMT..? into a glass jar, add VMP Naphtha or Bestine* (heptane you can get online)

put glass full of VMP Naphtha/bestine and DMT in hot water for a little, making sure the prewarmed glass isn't cold enough to crack upon exposure to heat. Wait a few seconds mixing The DMT will dissolve while anything left on the bottom is garbage, 'inactive junglespice'

Siphoning off the good stuff in the liquid pour into separate jar, with a lid put your DMT solution in the freezer over the course of two days to precipitate (crash down) and collect the now pure DMT. You may repeat this as many times you like.

Bestine would be MUCH preferable over VMP naphtha. It's not too expensive as you will only need a 20 ml per every gram of decent DMT.

I'm sorry you got some orange bits of ... apple pie?

:lol:

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Orange doesn't mean that it's impure. That's some jungle DMT meaning that there's still some plant fat/tannins in it and hasn't been recrystallized by the extractor.

By definition, that means the product is "impure".

It also may contain 4-MTHBC (in minimal quantities) as well as god knows what else (solvent traces, etc). If you don't do the extraction, have no way of knowing what procedures were used and what's in there. Even if you extract yourself, unless you get it analyzed you have no proof of what's in your final product, but you do know the processes followed and therefore have greater assurance as to what you're dealing with.

 

[deadlight]

tbh i think you gotta learn to switch off you're mind and float downstream. one way to do that - smoke dmt! best to get the answers from the source

you could spend years on here asking people every imaginable question and the knowledge you got would just fly out of the window as soon as you took a hit

thats just what i think though, maybe for some people knowledge can be a comfort before getting their feet wet. for me reading the spirit molecule was like being in a maths exam. I think too much intellectualisation can really distract from pure experience

PS- its pointless to make opinions about the entities until you've spoken to/met them

(all IMHO "you must do what you feel is right of course" )