Experienced DMT Users - I need your advice.

[fairbanks]

You're right SnozzleBerry, I'm sorry, technically orange isn't pure. But I will say I've enjoyed orange DMT just as much as white. Just a little harsher on the body for orange but it never really affected me.

Don't mean to be a nag here SnozzleBerry, but doesn't 4-MTHBC have a white crystalline appearance to it? So couldn't it technically be in DMT that looks like perfect white crystals as well?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

...technically orange isn't pure. But I will say I've enjoyed orange DMT just as much as white.

Same here...although, just to point it out, color alone means very little. I've been plenty happy with the experiences brought on by DMT that was extracted in warm naphtha and was presumably yellow due to plant oils and fats. I've also enjoyed (and genereally preferred) DMT that was extracted and re-x'd to white/clear crystals, which I then subjected to a computer fan until the outer layer turned yellow, yielding yellow/clear crystals that vape wonderfully as small crystals and crush into a powder that is mostly white, with a smattering of yellow. Assuming there are no unwanted extraction residues, purity ≠ enjoyment

Don't mean to be a nag here SnozzleBerry, but doesn't 4-MTHBC have a white crystalline appearance to it?

Nope, as with pure harmine/harmaline, pure MTHBC is actually somewhat yellow.

...The pure alkaloid formed very pale yellow prisms or needles, of melting point 178- 180°...

From: Isolation of Tetrahydroharman from Petalostyles labicheoides

There's also a reason I said

...unless you get it analyzed you have no proof of what's in your final product, but you do know the processes followed and therefore have greater assurance as to what you're dealing with.

 

[Enoon]

It isn't to gain a sense of elitism, it's more that I've been reading for years and want to make my own mind up now, because I know it's impossible to perceive what it could possibly be like in my current sober state.

What are some things to learn from a breakthrough dose experience?

that's good if it isn't to gain elitism, but it's an easy trap I see a lot of people fall into in the beginning, once they have tried it. Just giving you a heads up on the matter.

While it's hard to give an example that isn't way too personal to divulge here I think what you can learn from dmt or other psychedelics can help you overcome problems with your state of mind - like overcoming depressions of a certain kind, understanding the origins of negativity, learning compassion and empathy, gaining new perspectives on certain topics, insights into fears, hopes an dreams and their origin, insights into origins of anxieties that you may have not even noticed were affecting you, etc.

In general I feel they open up a way for us to look into our subconscious. This does not mean that we will get a clear message from every trip. But with a litte self-reflection we might get to the point where we think: I think it's trying to tell me something. And so we begin our investigation into ourselves to find out what exactly it is...
with dmt it can be quite extreme - to the point that you have no idea what the messag was supposed to be or if there even was a message / something to learn from - or it can be as cear as words spoken to you.

What ever you end up experiencing, try to remain critical of everything. An insight is not something that falls from the sky, even though it might start out that way. It is something that has to pass the tests of our rational and emotional minds as well.

 

[Eliyahu]

Orange doesn't mean that it's impure. That's some jungle DMT meaning that there's still some plant fat/tannins in it and hasn't been recrystallized by the extractor.

By definition, that means the product is "impure".

It also may contain 4-MTHBC (in minimal quantities) as well as god knows what else (solvent traces, etc). If you don't do the extraction, have no way of knowing what procedures were used and what's in there. Even if you extract yourself, unless you get it analyzed you have no proof of what's in your final product, but you do know the processes followed and therefore have greater assurance as to what you're dealing with.

Snozz speaks wisdom here....

It sucks to be in hyperspace and wondering ..."what the hell did I just smoke?"

I would re-x it ...it's fun anyway...

 

[wage.]

It isn't to gain a sense of elitism, it's more that I've been reading for years and want to make my own mind up now, because I know it's impossible to perceive what it could possibly be like in my current sober state.

What are some things to learn from a breakthrough dose experience?

that's good if it isn't to gain elitism, but it's an easy trap I see a lot of people fall into in the beginning, once they have tried it. Just giving you a heads up on the matter.

While it's hard to give an example that isn't way too personal to divulge here I think what you can learn from dmt or other psychedelics can help you overcome problems with your state of mind - like overcoming depressions of a certain kind, understanding the origins of negativity, learning compassion and empathy, gaining new perspectives on certain topics, insights into fears, hopes an dreams and their origin, insights into origins of anxieties that you may have not even noticed were affecting you, etc.

In general I feel they open up a way for us to look into our subconscious. This does not mean that we will get a clear message from every trip. But with a litte self-reflection we might get to the point where we think: I think it's trying to tell me something. And so we begin our investigation into ourselves to find out what exactly it is...
with dmt it can be quite extreme - to the point that you have no idea what the messag was supposed to be or if there even was a message / something to learn from - or it can be as cear as words spoken to you.

What ever you end up experiencing, try to remain critical of everything. An insight is not something that falls from the sky, even though it might start out that way. It is something that has to pass the tests of our rational and emotional minds as well.

Really great advice, thanks bro :thumb_up: