Exploring the Dark Side

[camakazi]

I know its perhaps a 'taboo' subject, but have any of you willingly ventured into the darker side of DMT?

I've briefley seen what it has to offer, if only for a few seconds. No doubt if you wanted to you could initiate it by playing some sinister music or something.
It'd be good to hear of some not so beautiful experiences, by dark side, I mean evil entities.. visiting places where you are not welcome or dont want to be.. and stuff like that in general.

 

[soulfood]

To be honest, yes, but by the time you get there it doesn't seem "dark" as much as just what is when using vapor.

Dark music doesn't seem to be able to get me there anyway. The only way I seem to end up there is if I get sick with my anxiety. Like if I'm presented with something that appears to be a challenge, I respond to that challenge by asking for something more challenging.

I find it really hard to get there with freebase vapor though, as to me it always seems quite nice, but a high dose oral DMT session will take you to heaven before it shows you hell. Particularly when using harmaline as your inhibitor.

 

[camakazi]

yea I suppose its hard to visit a dark place when you're feeling all the euphoria of vaped freebase. Sometimes when I'm presented with an entity they seem to morph into something threatening for a few seconds, then revert back to the form they were in when I met them. I always get the feeling when this happens that the whole thing could do a 360 on me and take on a more sinister note. I never feel scared when it happens, but it does make me wonder.

 

[ghostman]

Nearly all of my trips are dark. There is a seriously psychotic and sharp edge to mine. All entities are either stone cold loveless or twisted. I have had one 'fun' or non-threatening trip.

My last breakthrough was still scary because I was being re-programmed by my serpent-mantis keeper with a needle-probe in my right eye and a needle-probe in my left ear. Although it wasn't painful, it was pretty scary.

I have not had any of this absolutely-zany-exploding-forth-with-love experience of which everyone speaks. When I blast off, I'm met and then it feels like I'm pinned down and spliced up and worked on. There is a lot more taking than receiving.

Although on my last trip I was rewarded with time slowing down. I got given bullet time to take a look around, but even then I had the feeling that it was just to distract me from what they were picking out of my head.

 

[soulfood]

Nearly all of my trips are dark. There is a seriously psychotic and sharp edge to mine. All entities are either stone cold loveless or twisted. I have had one 'fun' or non-threatening trip.

My last breakthrough was still scary because I was being re-programmed by my serpent-mantis keeper with a needle-probe in my right eye and a needle-probe in my left ear. Although it wasn't painful, it was pretty scary.

I have not had any of this absolutely-zany-exploding-forth-with-love experience of which everyone speaks. When I blast off, I'm met and then it feels like I'm pinned down and spliced up and worked on. There is a lot more taking than receiving.

Although on my last trip I was rewarded with time slowing down. I got given bullet time to take a look around, but even then I had the feeling that it was just to distract me from what they were picking out of my head.

I'd just sit still and relax with a smile. I'm sure they have good intentions

 

[Virola78]

Perhaps off topic but I enjoy the darker side of the mushroomtrip. Walking into some dark forest when the trip starts will get me there for sure.
It has allot to do with the setting indeed. And some dark, abstract music will certainly have an effect on my trip.

What strikes me is the neutrality of this dark side. If I am scared it is only because of my interpretations. When I let go of what would become fear, then the whole experience becomes quite a thrill actually. Some deep dark mysteries out there, thats for sure. Freaky and creepy indeed, so strange. Can be really hardcore but fascinating still. Got to respect it and not get strangled in your own web. But that is always the trick ofc. Extasis is usually a bit further down the rabbit hole.

 

[۩]

Much power can be acquired in the darkness...

 

[Pokey]

I have had 2 (out of about 40 or so) "dark" experiences. They are almost impossible to describe, but they were the most wretched, terrifying, awful moments of my life.:shock:

Luckily (in these cases at least), smoking only gives a short journey, and learning to surrender is an excellent lesson even if it's painful (mentally).

I waited 2 weeks after the last "dark" journey before blasting off again to give my mind a chance to assimilate the lesson and to reduce the "pre-flight anxiety" to a more reasonable level.

Happy to say I've had several nice times recently. I will never willingly go there again, but who knows what's in store? Just have to see what I get!

Pokey the Humbled

 

[MagikVenom]

Mostly the darker side is the same as the Lighter side. If you want to introduce yourself to Knowledge both sides are just bullshit for the other to compare each other to. The truth is the truth it makes no difference if it is light or dark outside the FACT remains. THERE IS NO DARKNESS THERE IS NO NIGHT

SCORPIONS [ SAILS OF CHARON ]
Dark night, there is no light
In the realm of the black magic man
Soul's flight into the cold blight
Of the destroyer's magic land
Poor man, whose spirits are stronger
They're a little too weary
You're starting to...
Blind man, you're suckin' your own blood
Soon black magic's dying
You'd better start crying
Blind man, you're suckin' your own blood
Soon black magic's dying
You'd better start crying
Throw out your evil desire
The dark king's kingdom is
Made out of mire
Throw out your evil desire
The dark king's kingdom is
Made out of mire
Keep on for the kingdom of light
There is no darkness, there is no night


I LAUGH like a mad fiend as I listen to the TRUTH>>>>>>>>>:lol: :lol: :lol:

Certainly worship of any type of Bullshit leads to self benifical illusion at best, suicide at worst so dont be a fool and believe in things because you have heard about it from other fools....

There is no DARKNESS there is no NIGHT

Peace
MV

 

[JoseF]

You can say that there is no dark say but I want to see you (not really) choking and at the begining of an ayahuasca session trying to breath and coughing all the trip. Oh! almost forgot: on the first time you took DMT.

That is f*cking scarry. A pass to hell.
Thanks to God (haha) the shaman managed to calm me down and the final hour of the trip was quite nice.

mmmmm in the other hand, I learned a lot... but I haven't had assimilated more than the half. XD

 

[MagikVenom]

You can say that there is no dark say but I want to see you (not really) choking and at the begining of an ayahuasca session trying to breath and coughing all the trip. Oh! almost forgot: on the first time you took DMT.

That is f*cking scarry. A pass to hell.
Thanks to God (haha) the shaman managed to calm me down and the final hour of the trip was quite nice.

mmmmm in the other hand, I learned a lot... but I haven't had assimilated more than the half. XD

Thats some wisdom Bro... It should not be taken lightly..

You are correct you do not want to see me puking... .... How much time you got....?

Its a powerful thing that will KICK YOUR ASS like nothing you have ever experienced. Your reaction is normal and respectful.

I speak in a philosophical sense based on hundreds of experiences averaged out over the years.

My point was you want to explore something??

How about something positive forget about the bullshit(yeah my new term to describe many things)

Go do something benifical and forget about the bullshit.

If you get sick of helping others and begin to feel bored and sick of it please come tell us the story because THAT is one I never heard before...

The other Bullshit is a dime a dozen I been watching it pass by for many years..

Sorry to be so frank concerning the matter

Forgive me on that for sure.

Peace
MV

 

[JoseF]

mmm I dont know how toy say this in English XD

I think that it was a good experience for me. I learned a lot and experienced a lot of archetypes. It changed my life :shock: hahaha. I even got healed for an entire month ^^ and after that I've been much better than before that

But in that moment I was absolutelly unconfortable (but I didn' went mad ) and when I were feeling that, I thought that it was horrible and too hard for me and I just wanted it to finish.

I think that that is the dark side, but I don't think the dark side is something "bad"... It's only dark and ugly but is a part of the things.
In fact, I think that the word "bad" is nonesense because, at worst, you allways can learn something of the "bad" things
IMHO, the dark side is only the opposite of the blissful side, but gives you as much as the blissful side can gives you.


Best wishes
JF

 

[Virola78]

Mostly the darker side is the same as the Lighter side. If you want to introduce yourself to Knowledge both sides are just bullshit for the other to compare each other to. The truth is the truth it makes no difference if it is light or dark outside the FACT remains. THERE IS NO DARKNESS THERE IS NO NIGHT

Both sides belong to the same coin.

Certainly there were and will be crystal clear, bright, light, sweet, lovely, extasy-like trips.
Also there were and will be cloudy, disorienting, weird, dark, freaky, more or less scary but still fascinating trips.
And they do have different lessons, about the same coin.

 

[Spiceman]

I find that im pushed into this dark space periodically while smoking up .. its never been intentional .. but i've met some pretty dark and stone cold entities in these modes.. it happens at random with seemingly no reasoning behind it, nor intention. These have been some of my most profound and powerful experiences .. i appreciate them all...

 

[camakazi]

hmm... I like how this turned out.
Two sides of the same coin? or Two seperate things measured on the same set of scales?

"I see it, I see the end now.
Darkness drowns the light and I realise...
dominance is the absence of another." HB

The universe is indeed stranger than we presume, but the truth is even colder.

Be humble people!
Peace

 

[Morphing Interstices]

The first time I had DMT I thought I was dying, that I was choking and couldn't breathe and I thrashed against the feeling of being sucked through a narrow tunnel that squeezed me painfully from all sides. And then suddenly I was in the place. I was no longer conscious of my breathing, it just happened of its own accord in my prostrate body, presumably. I saw the giant skull sun god, no eyes, a void. I saw those englaved coloured forms, animals moving around on the surface of the sun, as if engraved on the sun. And I saw it all as if looking form a distance, at the same time I WAS one of those animals engraved on the sun. And the whole trip was excruciatingly painful, but also exquisitely pleasurable. It was unbearably hot (it was a sun afterall). I felt that I was impaled through my torso through some kind of giant sharp spike, but that I was penetrated in every orifice too, robbed of my freedom and autonomy, but fused with the universe at the same time, and so hardly powerless!!!! It felt mortifying, dreadful, horrific, blindingly sexy, ecstatic, and was THE most visually spectacular thing I had EVER seen in my place by a really long shot.....
Ahem...so hence the beginning of a deep love for DMT
It was certainly not 'dark' in the visual sense - it was brilliantly bright, impossibly so.
I don't see the dark vs light analogy reflecting my experience very well in general though. I feel happy wearing black and miserable under fleuroescent lamps....

 

[Origami Existence]

The first time I had DMT I thought I was dying, that I was choking and couldn't breathe and I thrashed against the feeling of being sucked through a narrow tunnel that squeezed me painfully from all sides. And then suddenly I was in the place. I was no longer conscious of my breathing, it just happened of its own accord in my prostrate body, presumably. I saw the giant skull sun god, no eyes, a void. I saw those englaved coloured forms, animals moving around on the surface of the sun, as if engraved on the sun. And I saw it all as if looking form a distance, at the same time I WAS one of those animals engraved on the sun. And the whole trip was excruciatingly painful, but also exquisitely pleasurable. It was unbearably hot (it was a sun afterall). I felt that I was impaled through my torso through some kind of giant sharp spike, but that I was penetrated in every orifice too, robbed of my freedom and autonomy, but fused with the universe at the same time, and so hardly powerless!!!! It felt mortifying, dreadful, horrific, blindingly sexy, ecstatic, and was THE most visually spectacular thing I had EVER seen in my place by a really long shot.....
Ahem...so hence the beginning of a deep love for DMT
It was certainly not 'dark' in the visual sense - it was brilliantly bright, impossibly so.
I don't see the dark vs light analogy reflecting my experience very well in general though. I feel happy wearing black and miserable under fleuroescent lamps....

I know what you mean about the dark vs light analogy not necessarily reflecting one's experiences. I mean, there are experiences that feel frightening, disturbing, cold, and stark, but they aren't dark. The other day, on pharma, I just felt like I was absolutely overwhemled by unfamiliarity. I didn't know who I was, or where I was... I didn't even see any visuals. It just went through my memories and dreams, and nothing felt quite right. Yet, at the same time, it was day, and it was bright... It kind of felt as though I had been alienated or isolated in a bright white room, like I was some sort of experiment. My bf was touching my face, and I felt like I was being touched by a stranger... it was almost unbearable.

I find though, with pharma that it is an all encompassing experience, both dark and light, good and bad. It kept telling me "you have to die to be reborn, you have to die to be reborn"... and the "death" part of it... it's terrifying, painful... just pure agony. But it's always worth it. Like my bf says... it empties your cup, but it always refills it.

 

[Morphing Interstices]

I find though, with pharma that it is an all encompassing experience, both dark and light, good and bad. It kept telling me "you have to die to be reborn, you have to die to be reborn"... and the "death" part of it... it's terrifying, painful... just pure agony. But it's always worth it. Like my bf says... it empties your cup, but it always refills it.

Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!! This is such a crucial wisdom. We spend so much time running from death, and we have to of course because it is running after us. But this running grips us and makes us react from fear. I think this is the core of my appreciation of ethnobotanicals - that liberation they can give us of feeling as if we accept death, die in fact, and the reward of renewal, expanded self and epiphany they give us in return. There is a Gaia theme in that for me. In meditation I often imagine my body decaying into the earth, nourishing it, renouncing myself to its aliveness, and in psychedelic experience it often seems as if ethnobotanicals reward us for showing that we are willing to sacrifice ourselves, and so open the doors to infinite bliss, reminding us that we are part of the cosmos.