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Extraction of shrooms

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So could one say that psilocybin is bioactive, while psilocin is pychoactive?

Also, 69ron, SWIM tried that steaming method along with a decent dose of ascorbic, and it seemed to make his mushrooms nearly twice as active. He still got headaches toward the end, but they were greatly lessened.
 
It's a cool trick. I wish I knew exactly what it works. It's definitely effective.

Other than the increase in potency and lessoning of your headache, did you notice any other differences in effects after the steam treatment?
 
69ron said:
It's a cool trick. I wish I knew exactly what it works. It's definitely effective.

Other than the increase in potency and lessoning of your headache, did you notice any other differences in effects after the steam treatment?
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Well, I suppose for SWIM, the level of hallucinations and quality of the body high are synonymous with the level of potency in terms of psilocybes. SWIM would say that the hallucinations were more engulfing, and he felt much more creatively inspired and motivated than he has on any other psilotrip.

SWIM would think that though psilocybin is probably nice to have in smaller quantities, it can be too much in larger. With psilocin (or perhaps other analogs) on the other hand, the skies the limit.
 
hmm this steam treatment sounds interesting

elaborate please

im guessing it converts some of the psylocybin into psilocin
seems like itd be the thing to do
 
You steam cook the dried mushrooms until they lose all their blue color. The theory is that this destroys all the enzymes that turn psilocin blue, so it protects the psilocin content in the mushrooms, while at the same time hydrolyzing all the psilocybin into psilocin. Whatever it actually does, it definitely improves the potency quite a bit.
 
okay so there was a slight stuffup - swim overshot the mark on the ph - all was going fine till the very end - swim worked very fast from that point on to try extract the active before it degraded too much - anyway swims combined 3 naptha pulls are evapping slightly before fp and it is producing a huge amount of white when blown on so it looks promising. 3 xylene pulls were also done after that, emulsions were a bit of a problem - but we will see.
 
this is not precipping out of the solution, if swim takes it out the freezer its clear - blow on it pieces almost drop out and surface layer of white appears - how should swim get it out of the naptha ? - evap further(heat/lignt?) then try again ?
 
don't heat once the psilocin is in the naptha.
pour off some of the naptha to slow evap, and put the rest back in the freezer.

eventually, there will be a dark green residue when scraped. this is crude psilocin...one can recrystallize with heptane (like with dmt), but it's noticeably tougher to get it to crystallize. no worries. the residue is still very active...cap it, or take with your fav juice.
 
Nice to know some people are as interested in psychedelics as I am . If your tek works could you write a clear tek ? Thanks in advance
 
okay evap of naptha done and not much of a yeild -
3 xylene pulls were done after the naptha pulls - how should swim salt out the psilocin - if there is any in there.
 
if SWIY wants to salt it out, SWIY would need to acidify it.

this is where OJ would come in handy. psilocin free base is very soluble in acidic water, and would be converted into citrate salts, and oj also has ascorbic acid to preserve the psilocin.

just remember to make sure the naptha is completely evaporated. the product will be resinous, but it's safe.
 
okay well the evap left behind very very little residue - if salting out of the xylene - swim would like to use hcl, fumaric acid or something along those lines - what would be best ?
 
ascorbic.

the whole deal with psilocin is its tendency to degrade. the OH group (which dmt lacks) needs to be protected by an antioxidant. none of the traditional acids used (acetic, hydrochloric, fumaric, sulfuric) will protect the hydroxy group.

you could still convert to a salt with those acids, just store it like you would store the free base...away from light and air exposure (long term)
 
thanks.
if swim adds ascorbic acid - disolved in water - will the psilocin precip out of the solution or does it need to be separated then evaporated as with mesc hcl saltings, then washed ?
 
Phlux- said:
thanks.
if swim adds ascorbic acid - disolved in water - will the psilocin precip out of the solution or does it need to be separated then evaporated as with mesc hcl saltings, then washed ?
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just a slow evap.
the product may be resinous, but it will be stable enough for long-term storage.

it probably won't precip in the water-ascorbic acid solution. the free base will bind to the ascorbate ions in solution, and the psilocin will be in the form of water-soluble psilosin ascorbate. after the water evaporates, what will be left is the fairly stable salt
 
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