Failed Acacia Obtusifolia extraction attempt advice needed

[DMTPanda]

SWIM attempted an A/B extraction on Acacia Obtusifolia with some results that he needs help interpreting.

2 acid cooks were performed on approximately 1kg of material that was put through a coffee grinder.
The deep brown liquid was drained off and NaOH added to up the pH to 12. The mix turned black and was very viscous. The mix was then pulled once with 300ml of Xylene to see what results he would get.
The pulled Xylene had a yellowish tinge and was left to evaporate.

Following completion of evaporation, there was a golden brown goo. What exactly is this? It's difficult to describe the smell but it's kind of synthetic smelling.

What can I do to verify what it is?

If there is Dmt material in there, how can I get it out?

 

[acacian]

the golden brown goo is probably dmt and whatever alkaloids are in there.. xylene doesn't yield crystals but the goo is fine.....ts a better smoke than pure dmt crystal i reckon. Did you use phyllode or bark? just a reminder that harvesting 1kg of trunk bark off a tree is very damaging and alkaloids can be easily extracted from the phyllodes. we encourage sustainable and harm minimising extraction here

 

[Vitalstatistix]

DMTPAnda,

If you want xtals you could try dissolving the goo in a non polar, mixing dilute white vinegar agitating the mixture, the non polar should go very cloady if there are goodies in there and the goodies should travel into the polar dilute vinegar solution. Pull with 3 lots of vinegar solution basify the solution to PH 12.5 and pull with hexane. evap the hexane till slightly cloudy and freeze to precipitate the xtals.

 

[DMTPanda]

Did you use phyllode or bark? just a reminder that harvesting 1kg of trunk bark off a tree is very damaging and alkaloids can be easily extracted from the phyllodes. we encourage sustainable and harm minimising extraction here

It was both bark and phyllodes.
The majority of the mass was phyllodes and twigs I managed to find after severe storms in the area a few weeks back now. The bark was mainly the bark off the thin branches I managed to find.

I'll try the vinegar and pull with a more selective solvent. However living in Australia I'll have to figure out what that is based on local solvent products.
Also when you mention redissolving the goo in a np solvent that it should turn cloudy, am I correct in assuming that means the Hexane and not the Xylene?

 

[mailorderdiety]

DMTPAnda,

If you want xtals you could try dissolving the goo in a non polar, mixing dilute white vinegar agitating the mixture, the non polar should go very cloady if there are goodies in there and the goodies should travel into the polar dilute vinegar solution. Pull with 3 lots of vinegar solution basify the solution to PH 12.5 and pull with hexane. evap the hexane till slightly cloudy and freeze to precipitate the xtals.

this is super fascinating to me, i would love to learn more about it. Is there an official tek for separating dmt from goo balls? I have just had a really great yield from 500 grams of acacia.. i'm at 11.082 grams and still getting more out after 8 pulls. But i'm getting plenty of goo mixed with the crystals. I really like the goo BUT i would definitely like to separate the dmt from the goo.

The reason is i found that it's possible to become over potentiated on the harmalas present in the goo. The effect on the mind/body is getting stuck in the peak of a vaped dmt hit for too long. It becomes quite hard to handle. I've only had this before while smoking pure caapi harmalas in between each dmt hit. I accidentally got stuck for 3 hours in a dmt peak, it was not pleasant or helpful, it was a type of hell. So as to prevent accidental over potentiation i would love keep them separate, just smoke a little of the goo and then keep hitting the crystal after that

 

[DMTPanda]

SWIM was thinking since there is a generous quantity of goo extracted, he would keep most for later and try smoke some to try.

He is thinking of making enhanced leaf, will he have to dissolve and evaporate onto leaf, or can he simply smear it on the herbs and smoke away?

 

[mailorderdiety]

SWIM was thinking since there is a generous quantity of goo extracted, he would keep most for later and try smoke some to try.

He is thinking of making enhanced leaf, will he have to dissolve and evaporate onto leaf, or can he simply smear it on the herbs and smoke away?

i prefer adding the goo to isopropal alcohol. i get the 99% kind and then melting the goo into an amber liquid. i then pour that over my leaves and let it dry under a fan. that way all the leaves are relatively covered in the same amount. But i did use a razor blade, weighed it first, then scooped up some goo and let it drip into my gvg... did about 50 mg of goo, it was amazing, very little dmt in it.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

will he have to dissolve and evaporate onto leaf, or can he simply smear it on the herbs and smoke away?

you can do either, but its recommended to dissolve and evap as it increases heat resistance, and spreads it more evenly

 

[mailorderdiety]

DMTPAnda,

If you want xtals you could try dissolving the goo in a non polar, mixing dilute white vinegar agitating the mixture, the non polar should go very cloady if there are goodies in there and the goodies should travel into the polar dilute vinegar solution. Pull with 3 lots of vinegar solution basify the solution to PH 12.5 and pull with hexane. evap the hexane till slightly cloudy and freeze to precipitate the xtals.

this is super fascinating to me, i would love to learn more about it. Is there an official tek for separating dmt from goo balls? I have just had a really great yield from 500 grams of acacia.. i'm at 11.082 grams and still getting more out after 8 pulls. But i'm getting plenty of goo mixed with the crystals. I really like the goo BUT i would definitely like to separate the dmt from the goo.

The reason is i found that it's possible to become over potentiated on the harmalas present in the goo. The effect on the mind/body is getting stuck in the peak of a vaped dmt hit for too long. It becomes quite hard to handle. I've only had this before while smoking pure caapi harmalas in between each dmt hit. I accidentally got stuck for 3 hours in a dmt peak, it was not pleasant or helpful, it was a type of hell. So as to prevent accidental over potentiation i would love keep them separate, just smoke a little of the goo and then keep hitting the crystal after that

i'm bumping this for help. I dissolved both my giant goo ball and my waxy dmt crystal from my acacia pulls in nahptha. I then added vinegar. i separated and basified. i then pulled with hexane. I'm freeze preciping my hex but i now have my goo ball that is full of vinegar. I don't know what to with it now. I still want it for smoking i just didn't want the dmt in it. Any tips would be appreciated

 

[DMTPanda]

So I decided to dissolve the toffee-like substance in a selective NP solvent. In Australia it's fairly easy to find Shellite, so I added 300ml of warmed Shellite to the glass baking tray where I had evapped the Xylene to get the toffee.

After approx. 30 minutes the Shellite was drained into a glass. The Shellite was kept heated during the 30 mins over a steaming water bath.

After putting the Shellite pull into the freezer for freeze precipitation, the Shellite turned an odd greenish/yellowish opaque colour. It was only left in the freezer for 24 hours and the Shellite was poured off and allowed to drip dry upside down.

All that was left was the toffee material again. Very disappointed, I really was looking forward to some xtals.

I still have the basified solution and I think I'll try another xylene pull and the acid/basify/re-pull to get the toffee. Any other suggestions?

 

[DMTPanda]

Please have a look at my photos below. Are these consistent with what DMT goo is supposed to look like?

First Image:
This is what the pulled Xylene looked like after a couple of days sitting in the basified mix.
Although it looks dark, it was all pulled Xylene only.

Second Image:
After the Xylene fully evapped leaving the thick sticky paste.

Third Image:
Close up, apologies for the poor quality this camera didn't have a macro setting.

 

[starway6]

Please have a look at my photos below. Are these consistent with what DMT goo is supposed to look like?

First Image:
This is what the pulled Xylene looked like after a couple of days sitting in the basified mix.
Although it looks dark, it was all pulled Xylene only.

Second Image:
After the Xylene fully evapped leaving the thick sticky paste.

Third Image:
Close up, apologies for the poor quality this camera didn't have a macro setting.

Your photos look.. [[exactly ]]..like what i pulled from Acacia Confusa Bark..
It is very active though..
The goo photos match my product using [Acid Base] method of extraction!
I wonder if using vinegar can cause the waxy final product?

Because i remember ..[in past]..mescaline extractions using vinegar produced
..[mescaline acetate] ..and it looked much like this waxy DMT..
But when using citric acid in distilled water pulls..crystals were more likely?

 

[acaciafriend]

Hi,

@mailorderdiety: You got at least 11.082 grams out of 500g Acacia material? That's 2,2 %. Can you tell me which type of acacia you used, which parts and in what time of the year you got the plant metarial? That would be very interesting to know as 2,2 % sound unbelievably awesome :-D Thanks man and good luck for your forthcoming acacia extractions ;-) I have grown several types of acacias by seed (obtusifolia, acuminata, floribunda, colei, maidenii, concurrens, decurrens). Some of them are already quite big and my cat wants to try extracting some phyllodes soon, she told me, when having a workable-with amount of material. It's so easy to grow those kind of plants by oneself .

 

[mailorderdiety]

Hi,

@mailorderdiety: You got at least 11.082 grams out of 500g Acacia material? That's 2,2 %. Can you tell me which type of acacia you used, which parts and in what time of the year you got the plant metarial? That would be very interesting to know as 2,2 % sound unbelievably awesome :-D Thanks man and good luck for your forthcoming acacia extractions ;-) I have grown several types of acacias by seed (obtusifolia, acuminata, floribunda, colei, maidenii, concurrens, decurrens). Some of them are already quite big and my cat wants to try extracting some phyllodes soon, she told me, when having a workable-with amount of material. It's so easy to grow those kind of plants by oneself .

howdy bassice... yeah that was from acrb from hawaii. but keep in mind that it was not 2% dmt.. it was more like .7% as the rest of the product was what seems to be nmt and beta carbolines. together they work very well, but i have ended up with this mixture being over potentiated and the trip can be a little uncofortable after 15 minutes(too much of a goo'd thing ). unlike my vaped mhrb that only lasts about 5-7 minutes, when smoking the goo/crystal combo i have no say as to the ratio of nmt/carbolines i take. it's pre mixed. So i would like to separate as the goo is a really great companion with the crystal, i'd just like to control the amount/ratio.

 

[DMTPanda]

Hi all
So SWIM kept the same basified solution since March! It was kept in a dark cupboard away from sunlight.

SWIM added 200mL of xylene and erroneously shook violently, resulting in an emulsion and a thin NP solvent layer sitting on top.

The xylene was separated and by colouration, SWIM could tell very little had been pulled from the basified solution.

SWIM sought to rectify the emulsion and seperated it from the basified solution and adequately disposed of it.

Thinking that the emulsion was the cause of the poor pull, SWIM used another 200mL of xylene and took care to swirl the solution and not shake.

Unfortunately the emulsion seems to have formed again, and the xylene looks fairly clear.

What are nexians thoughts? Was the basified solution kept in storage for too long leading to near zero yield? (the pH was tested and came in around 10.4) Was SWIM's method to remove the emulsion sufficient?
Is the xylene failing to pull anything because of the emulsion? or is there nothing left in the solution to pull (this is the third and fourth xylene pull)

 

[DreaMTripper]

lol Most likely destroyed the alks after that long, emulsions can be sorted quickly with non-iodised salt and gentle agitation but not too much as it can hang in suspension in the NP.
For acacia extractions I would follow the BLAB tek or cybs max ion is also suitable.
Nen has a good write up for a phyllode tek too but its a bit more complicated than the average tek using ethanol at the acid simmer. Also, 200ml is maximum NP to use esp xylene or toluene and you would only need to do 3 pulls max if the starting dry weight was 500g or below.
Simmering the mix down steadily to sub 500ml at the acid simmer is highly advisable to concentrate the alks, acacia alks seem to be very elusive my friend saw some spicey acetate from a.implexa recently but moved it to another jar and it was never seen again!
What did you do with the goo in the end? Have seen someone pull similar toffee its an acacia thing, smelt of spice but turned out inactive, so many red herrings in the acacia world..