Fascinating dmt interaction with mayans!!!!

[tony]

i am keeping an openmind what scientific evidense is ther against this?? i asked for anything that could help or hurt here im just interested here it caught my attention and thought it would of others. do i believe this and am claiming this is true no i am not. i am very open minded id be more than happy for anyone and everyone to spend all there time just to disprove this i could careless if its true or not im just interested and thought this was a good place to bring the discussion.

It was a good place to bring it and people responded by pointing out some holes in what you were saying, such as claiming dmt is produced in the pineal gland.. which isnt backed up.

No offence but you seem to have misunderstood the scientific method. This is shown by you asking us to disprove a theory that has been proposed without evidence. Thats not how it works.

 

[The Traveler]

i am keeping an openmind what scientific evidense is ther against this?? i asked for anything that could help or hurt here im just interested here it caught my attention and thought it would of others. do i believe this and am claiming this is true no i am not. i am very open minded id be more than happy for anyone and everyone to spend all there time just to disprove this i could careless if its true or not im just interested and thought this was a good place to bring the discussion.

I see quite some outrageous claims you make in this thread without backing anything up. You state things are "scientifically proven" but again without backing that up.

We can all make outrageous claims and state that it is scientifically proven but that doesn't make it so. I'm quite worried about the quality of the information available on the DMT-Nexus with people like you. You make wild claims about the most absurd ideas and bring it as something that might be true and even 'scientifically proven'.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[ryan13]

yes i know it isnt 100% proven but is generally accepted by many that the pineal gland releases soma pinoline and i was generally speaking on the disprovement(on anything ive said being the mayans,some mistake in my understand of the eye of shiva{the possiblity like uh i was wrong and its not the 6th chakra} or they discovered some type of skin mutation on that man and his skin easy adhears to objects. i wanted disprovement if it is out there but any type of information even neutral ill take im just here to discuss read and learn about things that interest me and this interests me and obviously so does physics and science in general lol i try to keep an open mind the mayan interaction with the third eye and dmt is not my own idea but i did throw in the pow camp man to help back up psychic phenomen of the third eye im not stating he awakened his third eye i just implied that he by meditation began to acquire a strange psychic ability lol i do hope i am making sense here if not maybe you could clear my confusion well if you dont mind

 

[The Traveler]

Currently there is a discussion going on about fringe topics like this one and the impact that it has on the credibility of the DMT-Nexus.

There is a high probability that these fringe topics, just like CT topics will have to find another site to be continued.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[ryan13]

dear mr traveler the only things im stating scientifically proven are that dmt was used in mayan rituals.that there is a man who can adhear objects to his skin(claiming by meditation_sounds like the awakening of shiva's eye to me) and the general aspect that dmt isfound in trace amounts in the human body. i realize some of the things im saying are not 100% proven or disproven for all we know dmt is released in our lungs maybe kidney but generally is said the pineal gland or that they have not been able to prove or disprove why the man has this ability. this is why i asked my any comment or bit of information. maybe there is someone who has come across information to help even hurt this.


im only claiming-
1.mayans were vastly advanced
2.mayans used dmt
3.dmt is found in humans
4.there is a man who claims have a psychic power via meditation(not that its true but what he can do is true not how he does it)
5.the fact that there are things we do not understand and seems absurd now but could become true reality like a breathe of air in the near or distant future

 

[The Traveler]

I've been interested in dmt and mayans prediction.well basically the mayans appeared suddenly with vast technological advances and an amazingly accurate calendar ending this year scientifically proven could be cause of the galactic alliance on the winter solstice. Now to start making sense the mayans used dmt as an entheogen with in theory increased the dmt that there pineal gland could produce and release aiding the opening that is refered to in Hinduism of the third eye which is believe mythically to grant access to super natural powers with this said possibly by the use of dmt they opened the third eye becoming able to wield unbelievable unnatural powers such as explainable for there advances and accurate calendar for such a primitive civilization.dies anybody else confer with this theory?? It is not my own I was doing research on the 6th chakra and came across it through several links and need to find it to back up this but wanted to make a post to see what others opinions Are behind thus theory.plz leave comments would greatly enjoy any type of deed back good or even slandering the possibility of this theory.

I'm talking about this kind of absurd claims. And no, that has little to do with "one day we might understand this 'like a breathe of air'".


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[ryan13]

i understand what your getting at but im only claiming that as a simple possibilityjust a maybe. a very faint maybe at that.there is a possibility behind any and everything.im not stating that with this theory belief speculation or whatever floats your boat as a title that man kinds great uprising will be because of a believe found in hinduism and that mind kind need to learn the secrets and what not of this to benifit humanity and further our knowledge. haha if this was true im pretty sure buddist and shivaist would already be all over this and would already have unlocked this with life of mental and physical disipline.

i'm mearly trying to keep an open mind for possibilies here. yes maybe (key word maybe everyone is seems to have lost the meaning of this word) we can one day understand it or we will just realize this is some crazy absurd claim that just took time to realize its impossibility.

sincerly, ryan

 

[ryan13]

if someone would plz justify one things for me maybe i took this the wrong direction and need more time to bring it up. but is this discussion topic useless?uninteresting?absurd?a complete waste of time and effert?? may i should just drop this but i thought the open discussion section was for an open discussion and i thought i brought forth a fairly good topic for an open discussion this is like other things on this site such as what factors will benifit my extraction tek. that discussion is like a a 1st dimensional line, has limited room to go very far off with but with my topic it could be taken anywhere at anytime thus a great open discussion

 

[endlessness]

Mayans used DMT is a proven fact? I wasnt aware, care to quote some reliable sources, I would be interested...

 

[Entropymancer]

im only claiming-
1.mayans were vastly advanced

That's debatable. They observed astral movement (wouldn't you too if nature's bounty seemed to move in rhythm to it?) and had some skill as builders. I don't know that this qualifies as "vastly advanced."

2.mayans used dmt

Unsubstantiated. There are several psychoactive materials that have been documented as being used by indigenous people in that region, but not a one of them contains DMT.

3.dmt is found in humans

Yes.

4.there is a man who claims have a psychic power via meditation(not that its true but what he can do is true not how he does it)

So what? I can claim that I have the power to telekinetically cook a delicious risotto; that doesn't make it true.

 

[ryan13]

dear entropymancer you need to look up this man i wil search and send a link if need but its more than a claim......he meditates gets a mental image i guess or like sees something and holds on and he literally can place his forehead on objects and that cling to his skin and have a very good attraction to him he opens hias hands like being ready to slap someone and clings two bolws to his hands then to demonstrate how well attached they are he slams em togther they did tests on his skin and even thought he could have a strong megnetic field but his record is a ten pound ceramic plate with his forehead this isnt just a claim its a fact the man can do it but how he does it is the question could be psychic or they just havent figured how what is different about him

 

[ryan13]

and by vastly advanced i meant they had amzing building skills not vastly advanced for today no but for that time yes very advanced im not claiming atlantis like advances no but yea they knew there stuff and very well and definetly showed it i will admit maybe i did use poor choice of words but still.

 

[ryan13]

first google search i found things on mayan use of drugs.Mushroom stone effigies, dated to 1000 BCE, give evidence that mushrooms were at least revered in a religious way. now doesnt psilocybe mushrooms active psychoactive chemicals metabolize into 5-ho-dmt?? i would say that is enough edvidence in itself to say they used it for religious reason like everyother religious group that used entheogens. google is a vast tool utilize it and find things out for yourself they may even bring you to new things. atleast i prefer it that way i learn more by this way. but yes endlessness it is proven we have psychical records of them regarding mushrooms for religious purposes...unless they are claiming the worshipped the mushroom but i doubt that im pretty sre they consumed it like every other religious that uses or used psilocybe mushrooms

 

[endlessness]

No mushrooms dont metabolize into 5-ho-dmt (bufotenine), and even if it did, thats a completely different substance than DMT... See, we dont have a problem theorizing about things, questioning, being open and so on. There is evidence of different cultures using entheogens around the world and all of that.. But that isnt to say all cultures used DMT to release pineal DMT that opens up the 6th chakra... Here in the Nexus we do not appreciate claiming something is a scientific fact when it is merely speculation.

Also, finding something by "google search" that says "something" does not equate to a scientific fact. I guess you realize that, right? Google search results in all kinds of pages, from reliable to downright crap, and everything in between. Dont trust anything you find on the internet.

So please, be mindful of how you post here from now on, do your research and be sure to clearly differentiate speculations and hypothesis from facts, otherwise you'll worsen the quality reliable information in the Nexus, which is something we care a lot about.

 

[ryan13]

i will keep that in mind and ok um isnt 5-ho-dmt just an anologue of dmt they both have the chemical name dimethyltryptamine yes there is a diff but couldnt that still be considered dmt?? im not very familiar with dmt and similar chemicals(a reason why i came to the nexus) could you plz explain to me cause in my thinking they would appear atleast somewhat similar like 5-meo-dmt is like dmt but 10x's stronger but is less and in some ppl not visual even at high doses

 

[Pandora]

Currently there is a discussion going on about fringe topics like this one and the impact that it has on the credibility of the DMT-Nexus.

There is a high probability that these fringe topics, just like CT topics will have to find another site to be continued.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

The Mayans were an interesting culture and they predicted many things correctly. They also had some rather brutal practices (by our standards) and many of their predictions came to nothing. They did not pop up over night. They were established over huge amounts of time, like most other impressive cultures. There's nothing magic here. Just low tech, high organization and very good observations.

Brace yourselves - we're only 10 days into 2012. Here it comes, thick and fast and it's only January. It's going to be quite a year. I'm thinking that less money will be spent (folks just don't have it like they did) but more "interesting" theories and products will come out than we got for the Y2K hype.

This is all fine and entertaining until extreme things happen. Some examples of extremes might include on a spectrum from minimal to maximal (in my mind):

1.) Saying something is proven scientifically that is not. (I list this as minor because it happens every day in all kinds of media)
2.) Wasting money that should be spent on subsistence expenses.
3.) Leaving established and hard worked for things such as family and job to join fringe or cult groups (this is related to #2 above).
4.) Doing extreme things such as burning the compound with children inside, drinking the Kool-Aid, chopping off genitals and waiting for UFO pickups.

I suspect we will see more of this than we did for the ramp-up to 2000 and it makes me sad. Especially in a time when our focus should be much more "down to Earth."

December 21, 2012 is a Friday. It's going to be a heck of a party for many folks. I suspect I will participate enthusiastically by raising a jar of mushrooms to my memory of T. (RIP) before nomming them all. I certainly hope that folks will party hearty but safely.

I also hope that the majority will proceed as if it's just a party Friday and that Saturday the 22nd will be a huge hangover and cleanup day, leading into the Christmas and New Year's holidays. 2013 will occur on time and folks will be expected to report for school and work.

Whether or not these topics are seen as appropriate for any part of the Nexus by closed discussion groups will probably have little bearing on the number of these posts that pop up this year. Mods will have to be super vigilant I suspect.

Peace

 

[ryan13]

ok i found what i was thinkin of it is 4-po-dmt so the same question isnt it basically dmt it has the name and has psychedelic effects couldnt that be the dmt part but has diff affects like 5-meo-dmt compared to dmt. its similar in a way right??

 

[endlessness]

Im glad you came here to learn about these substances, I think you couldnt have come to a better place.

To answer your question, no, it isn't that simple. Pharmacologically, simple modifications can lead to completely different effects (or no effects). I mean, think about it, even an isomer of a substance (which is basically the same substance with same composition but arranged differently) can be completely inactive, while the other isomer is extremely active (like LSD and iso-LSD).

Mushrooms contain 4-HO-DMT, yopo seeds contain 5-HO-DMT, virola trees might contain 5-MeO-DMT, Mimosa hostilis might contain DMT, etc etc.. They are all quite different, some are active orally, others not, some are visual, others less so, some have huge body load, others less, etc.. There may be DMT analogues natural or synthetic, that are completely inactive, or that may be toxic at quite low doses, or what not... So you cannot generalize that any molecule that has within it the DMT structure will be the same or even similar.

 

[ryan13]

um pandora?? chopping off genitals lol um im confused but yea i agree ten fold its gonna be a party day and i plan on having a good night myself i do not believe the predictions of it will change life as we know it but some predictions are rather fascinating then they just go woooooooo! way out there haha i can believe the shifting of magnetic poles(we have geological proof its happened before) and a giant solar flare(the scientific comunity has been looking and waitign on this for a good time now) but the just total eadication of life as we know it um i have to disagree. its more hype than anything but a good excused to throw a good 2012 goodbye party before new years

 

[ryan13]

oh well that makes sense thank you....im very excited to try it(along with a list of other psychodelics) but i have decided to wait until the proper time comes to try them as i said im a high school senior and with my fascination and love for hallucinogenic substances ive gotten into some trouble twice:/i decided its time to mature up and make better decisions and make out as a mature adult to prove to everyone im not this kid who is very smart for my recent poor choices so that is why i have turned my fascination mainly to reseaerch to broaden my knowledge on things so i can be prepared for the glorious day when it comes lol