Feedback on machine

[Zsuzsi]

Hello,

after reading a lot on it both on the forums and the wiki, I have built a machine and would love it if anyone knowledgeable with them could provide some feedback on it (pictures attached). Specifically, I'd like to know if:

* The size of the bottle is optimal.
* The steel mesh is OK, both in terms of size and structure.
* Whether or not the use of a plastic straw on the inhaling end (bottom of the bottle) is problematic (my guess is no but just to be safe).

... and more generally any feedback on the build would be appreciated.

The bottle is a small 33cl wine one, about 23 cm (9 inches) in length, made out of clear glass. I inserted two steel meshes in the bottle's neck: bottom one is about 3cm (1.2in) in diameter when outside of the bottle, top one about 2cm (0.79in). The idea is to insert the bottom one, melt the product slowly after depositing it on top of it, then insert the top mesh - the idea of which being to catch any falling DMT when turning the device upside down, and also to isolate the product from direct heat a bit more.

On the inhaling end, a plastic straw was inserted into the hole; it was already a pretty good seal as is but the seal was completed with electrical tape.

If I understood the method correctly: I'm supposed to melt the crystal slowly into the steel mesh, then wait a bit for it to cool down; then turn the bottle upside down, a use a torch lighter below the neck (but NOT touching the mesh/the product with the flame) while inhaling slowly. Is that correct ? what's the optimal distance for the lighter from the bottle's neck ? Will I be able to differentiate smoke/burned product from vapor visually ?

Thanks in advance !

As an aside, and for anyone wishing to build one, note that I managed to drill the hole in the bottom with a dremel without the use of a diamond bit; just a classic metal bit. I was very careful, slow (took about 15 minutes), and did it in a bucket of water, but it works.

Edit: are the images visible ? they appear in the attachment page but I can't seem to see them (possibly due to moderation approval required first ?).

 

[obliguhl]

No you won't be able to distinguish vapor from burnt spice.
The smaller the bottle, the hotter the vapour. Your size might be ok though.
No need for a torch, and be careful not to touch the spice directly.

Personally i would just opt for a bong machine, but since you've done all that work so far its time to test it

Question is, if you can produce enough vapor inhaling through the straw (which would need to be sealed around the edges of course).

 

[Zsuzsi]

Thank you for your feedback.

Question is, if you can produce enough vapor inhaling through the straw (which would need to be sealed around the edges of course).

From what I've read it's better to inhale slowly anyway to help with vaporization - which makes me think a straw would be beneficial ?

 

[obliguhl]

Thank you for your feedback.

Question is, if you can produce enough vapor inhaling through the straw (which would need to be sealed around the edges of course).

From what I've read it's better to inhale slowly anyway to help with vaporization - which makes me think a straw would be beneficial ?

I'm more concerned about not being able to draw enough hot air in, because that's what vaporizes the DMT, not the flame itself. But this can only be tested i guess...

 

[Zsuzsi]

Ah, gotcha, thanks. I suspect the air displacement is sufficient but field testing will tell

 

[Zsuzsi]

So, an update: my machine definitely works (mesh was a bit too big but that's all), but I'll say this - I suspect it takes a lot of practice to use it properly. I spent a lot of my time either burning the crystals or not vaporizing anything, and the sweet spot in terms of bottle/lighter distance needs to be surprisingly precise.

As a result I wasted quite a bit (~0.3g or so) of DMT, and even when I got a better handle on it I did not breakthrough / the effects were a bit disappointing. I'm pretty sure I could master its use eventually but I got tired of it and just ordered, and received, a vapor genie, as well as syrian rue just in case (the later to be used *very* carefully with much lower crystals doses progressively increasing, because I've read some sobering reports on RIMAs/MAOIs+freebase DMT). If the first one isn't enough to get me there, I'm pretty sure the combo will

As an aside, I suspect the adage you read everywhere on this forum is quite true: if it fails, it's almost certainly because of bad consumption method (not vaporizing it properly).

Thanks again for the feedback.

PS: are the images of the machine I posted in my initial post visible ? I don't see them, and I specifically wanted to avoid an external host because I came across quite a lot of old topics where external images were gone - storing them on the nexus itself seemed better to me.