first time after psychosis

[sleepypelican]

Ive recently obtained some spice about 3 weeks ago. Its around 35mg doses wraped in paper (my scale is poor when it comes to such small amounts)and is a yellow crystal color. I have 4 doses. I purchased an oil burner for the session. I have never tried smoking spice, but i do have some experience with psychedelics, mostly psilocybe cubensis (which i grew for about a year). About a year ago i suffered from a long bout of drug induced psychosis brought on by MDPV and a few other cathinones i had been ingesting. Its been a a good year since ive experimented with anything besisdes a little mj every now and then and my regular Kratom use. The last experiment was using salvia 80x alone, and no negative effects were present even days after the two times i smoked. I have spent the last three weeks pouring over posts and meditating, mentally preparing myself for the experience, and now i guess i'm just looking for a little encouragment lol

any words of advice?

 

[DreaMTripper]

If you"ve been dabbling with sally d 80x and she hasnt kicked your ass then hyperspace shouldnt be a problem.
Ive found the following days after effects of salvia to have an antidepressant and calming quality, the same with dmt.

 

[Metanoia]

If approached respectfully, which it seems you are, it can be a very healing experience. It may be 'dark' or frightening but the spice gives you what you need

I know how those types of stimulants can mess with you, I wish you the best

 

[upworkhometvbed]

It sounds to me like you're in a good headspace to make the voyage, just tread lightly and work your way up.
I also know the pains of stimulant psychosis. Thank goodness, the DMT always found ways of hopping out of my extraction vessels (and making horrible messes) when I wasn't treating it/myself with proper respect. This substance doesn't need to be ingested to teach a lesson.
Good luck!

 

[sleepypelican]

thanks man, it's nice to hear someone else has run into the same problems and is still kicking. I've researched DMT for a long time, i first became interested after listening to "alien dreamtime" an album by Jonah Sharp in the second half of the 90's which featuresd a lecture by Mckenna layered over some electronic beats. I guess it sparked my imagination for this stuff because i've been facinated by it ever since lol

 

[sleepypelican]

If you"ve been dabbling with sally d 80x and she hasnt kicked your ass then hyperspace shouldnt be a problem.
Ive found the following days after effects of salvia to have an antidepressant and calming quality, the same with dmt.

I never said she didnt kick my ass but i made it through with a smile on my face lol I first tried "sally d" back in 2002 and have returned back to her a number of times since then. 80x is as far as i'll go though, i tried 120x a few years ago and it was a bit too overwhelming for me to really enjoy it. it was an experience for sure

 

[DreaMTripper]

Ha fair enough! 35x is enough for me its takes me as far as I can go in salviaspace any stronger extract and I just black out.

 

[sleepypelican]

Ha fair enough! 35x is enough for me its takes me as far as I can go in salviaspace any stronger extract and I just black out.

really? I've never blacked out with salvia, even the 120x, not to say i was in this plane of existence....did you remebber anything from the black outs? The last time i burnt salvia i had the most intense feeling of being shoved by an invisible force it was insane. I had burnt it inside and it felt like the salvia was pushing me to go outside, like litterally shoving me. it was crazy. I know salvia div. is in the sage family (i'm not sure if this has been discredited by now) and it was almost like something was aware that i was burning sage (i know it's not the same thing but it made sense at the time) and was angry i was trying to dispell it (even though that wasent on my mind at all.) it came in waves about 4 seconds apart. crazy stuff

 

[DreaMTripper]

Nah I dont remember a thing past exhaling.

 

[Metanoia]

Obligatory chime in necessary:

These commercial Salvia extracts are rarely advertised as their actual strength. A true 35x would make most people black out if taken in any sizable dosage.

After years of working with Salvia I only need a 5x or even just plain leaf to breakthrough.

 

[gibran2]

Obligatory chime in necessary:

These commercial Salvia extracts are rarely advertised as their actual strength. A true 35x would make most people black out if taken in any sizable dosage.

After years of working with Salvia I only need a 5x or even just plain leaf to breakthrough.

And a very strong dose of true 120X is less than 10mg.
It is extremely unlikely that legitimate 120X salvia extract is commercially available.

 

[sleepypelican]

Obligatory chime in necessary:

These commercial Salvia extracts are rarely advertised as their actual strength. A true 35x would make most people black out if taken in any sizable dosage.

After years of working with Salvia I only need a 5x or even just plain leaf to breakthrough.

And a very strong dose of true 120X is less than 10mg.
It is extremely unlikely that legitimate 120X salvia extract is commercially available.
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well, i'm not extracting it myself, so there is only so much information to go by, but ive seen 200x advertised, althought i dont doubt this is a false claim. I've never blacked out from salvia, it seems the opposite with me, the more intense my trip the more vivid my memory of it is, even though it may be muddled. ive never had a breakthrough experience with plain leaf salvia either, maybe i'm getting bad stuff....

 

[DreaMTripper]

Salvia has a reverse tolerance effect if its used on a regular basis what the reason behind it is I dont know.
You maybe in the 10-20% whom are 'hard-heads' my friend was too , a massive bowl.of 25x and no breakthrough.

 

[sleepypelican]

Salvia has a reverse tolerance effect if its used on a regular basis what the reason behind it is I dont know.
You maybe in the 10-20% whom are 'hard-heads' my friend was too , a massive bowl.of 25x and no breakthrough.

I break through if you mean feeling completely disconnected from reality with intense visual hallucinations and all that but I always remember the salvia trips, I never black out and cant remember anything. I am a bit of a 'hard-head' though ( i dig the shulgin reference )