First time brewing ayahuasca. Dosage/preparation advice appreciated

[Quantum_Empyrium]

Hello kind souls. My friend and I have been using various mind altering substances over the years in search of spiritual enlightenment and healing. Now, we finally get to experience the great and sacred ayahuasca! Needless to say we are very excited, but also very cautious and respectful of any such spiritual journey.

For our first brewing attempt, we will be using the plants B. Caapi and P. Viridis. The idea was to use 100g of each plant, boiled together using the 3x3 boiling process. I am curious as to know wether this would be a sufficient dose for 2 males weighing about 175lbs each.

I do not want to overdue it as we always approach these things with much caution and care, but we also want to have enough to familiarize ourselves with this wonderful spiritual opprotunity that natures provides for us.

Any advice on dosage would be GREATLY appreciated, as would any tips to the preparation and boiling process.

Thank you!

 

[obliguhl]

Caapi dosage is about right for a beginner. I would not use viridis because potency apparantly varies a lot, and i find it important to being able to estimate the amount of dmt. This is especially important if you are a beginner: A lower dose of DMT is always advised in a brew. Too much DMT = hour long DMT trip (potentially very scary).

Also, don't be shy to use the search engine as there is a lot of info on this topic already. Making an effort to answer basic questions yourself is a virtue highly favored on the nexus.

Good luck!

 

[332211]

hi guys,

i had the opportunity to talk to a lot of people with vast knowledge/experience with ayahuasca this weekend. one question was if it is advisable for someone who never experienced ayahuasca to do it without a qualified guide.

the answer was always "no". especially the first handful of experiences bear the potential to surface a lot of repressed material, either physically or psychologically.

at least consider taking turns sitting for each other. does the thought to care for a crying, vomitting and shitting person make you uncomfortable? then better get a qualified guide.

the ability to integrate difficult experiences is generally very high throughout the population. no matter what you will experience, it will pass eventually. bit why make it more difficult when you have the choice

good luck!

 

[Quantum_Empyrium]

Thank you for the replies. Obliguhl...I have done a lot of searching as of late. Prehaps I haven't searched enough. I have learned a lot, but it seems that there is so much out there, lots of variables, and lots of things to consider, so I was just trying to be specific to what I was intending to try. Thank you for the input. Do you think that I should decrease the viridis? Also what other source would you recommend as an admixture for future attempts?

332211...Great advice my friend. I do not want to sound cocky or smug or anything like that, because I have the utmost respect for these kind of things. But, my mental fortitude is very strong, and I have been through many difficult experiences. I have seen the hell of my own being. I also believe that it is important to have those experiences so that you can understand the whole picture. It doesn't mean that I will be haphazard about this at all though. I must say that I am a bit apprehensive as I am with anything. It took me a long time to build up to massive mescaline trips, and I want to take the same approach with this. I will definately ponder upon taking turns as you have suggested. Thank you.

 

[332211]

hey

no problem, i respect your attitude.

you know, many advice we get is from fear driven people, so sometimes it is really hard to filter the quality stuff.

i know you will handle it. and i second that difficult experiences have the biggest learning curve. but taking the edge of off them will give you the same insight, in a more helpful environment.

let me know how the brewing is going. will start do to so pretty soon too

 

[jamie]

expect nothing when you move into the world of ayahuasca, because it is utterly so far beyond rationality and does not always adhere to common dosing protocols. A solid mixture of beta-carboline and tryptamine plants is the real deal.

You will be okay.

 

[obliguhl]

There are a lot of solitary drinkers, and they are fine. I can't really comment on medium and high dose ayahuasca, as this might be a completly different thing altogether. What i can comment on is what happens if you take too much DMT and too little caapi: It becomes basically oral DMT. That can be a great or horrible experience but it isn't ayahuasca. I'd keep the dmt dose low, so you can feel out the workings of the vine first. Some people suggest caapi only brews, but i would say that even a small bit of dmt is very synergistic with caapi and worth it. I've used dmt fumarate, 10-30mg.

Chances are, you'll need to try several times until you get where you want to go. That doesn't mean that you won't have effects. But rather try to increase caapi dose than dmt.

 

[332211]

thanks obli

 

[Quantum_Empyrium]

Thank you all very much. I may knock the dmt portion down by half for my first run, and gauge my next brew off of that. I'd rather play this one as safe as I can. In time, I will probably be able to hone my brew. I will let you guys know the results of my first run. I'll be doing a bunch more research this week, so the brew will be this weekend or next weekend. Again, thank you guys very much!

 

[obliguhl]

Glad to hear it!
Me personally likes the approach of entering into some sort of relationship with the plant or plants. I can see how taking it slow may be very beneficial. Afterall, you probably have a lot of time left in your life to fully experience what these plants have to offer, so it won't be a dissapointment, if your first run isn't the absolute mindblowing, lifechanging experience you might seek. The good thing is, even mild doses are beneficial...and you never know

 

[Quantum_Empyrium]

Ok guys I think I'm going to try this approach

-Boil 100g of B. Caapi alone using 3x3 boil method
-Boil 50g of P. Viridis seperately using same method
-Consume the B. Caapi tea (this will be split between two persons)
-Wait until effects of B. Caapi are felt, and familiarize with the feeling
-Then drink half of a dose of the seperate P. Viridis tea
-Explore effects for at least an hour, then decide if the other half of the viridis tea is needed

Between the two of us, this should roughly equate to a dosage of 50g of B. Caapi, and two 12.5g shots of P. Viridis. This will leave me with 50g of unused P. Viridis for a later date. Is this enough Viridis or should i cook the whole 100g and use about 1/3 of a dose at a time?

Thoughts, advice, and criticism from all of you would mean a lot to me. Does this seem like a good and smart approach? Please let me know if I am wrong in any of my thinking. This is a HUUUUGE freaking moment in my life. I feel like everything is going to change for the extreme betterment from here out. I want to do this right and safe. I'm getting chills down to the bone and my eyes are tearing up just thinking about what this could end up meaning to me. The implications seem staggering. I don't expect to have mega breakthroughs right away, but I'm ready to get on the pathway to something spectacular!

 

[obliguhl]

If viridis contains 0.1-0.61% of dmt (according to wikipedia), it can be anything from 10mg to 70mg dmt. Then, for some 30mg is already plenty of DMT, others claim to be needing 100+mg (something i have a hard time understanding). I believe when and how you take the caapi is important.

Your plan sounds fine...boiling them seperatly is wise, until you know your plant material.
There is one problem though...you might want to consider taking some caapi with your admixture to inhibit MAO in the gut. So perhaps drink 30g caapi, and then an hour or so later an additional 20g with your viridis tea. I have noticed, that i have the most intense dmt effects if i take it at the same time or shortly after the caapi starts effecting me....very shortlived though. Still, 30-40g caapi and 30mg dmt fumarate had thrown into a sub breakthrough state easily.

There is also the theory that dmt and harmalas kinda compete, which makes sense since changa is always more dull for me in terms of colors compated to freebase. So if you are taking DMT on top of caapi which is already acting in your brain you'd possibly have to deal with both, inferior dmt inhibition in your gut + attenuation of dmt effects through harmalas (see this thread). This may be also the readon why some people take huge dmt doses.

Best to find this out yourself, because noone knows your biochemistry. As long as you are careful, you'll be fine. Also make sure you and your friend are not taking any medication like SSRIs because as you probably knwo, those can be dangerous.

 

[spiritualascension]

I have done some research and if you can limit or remove all purging aka vomiting it will make for a much more enjoyable journey (makes sense right?)
So here is a great non purge recipe that could be of benefit to yourself and others

http://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Ayahuasca_Milkshake

Enjoy

 

[3rdI]

I have done some research and if you can limit or remove all purging aka vomiting it will make for a much more enjoyable journey (makes sense right?)

no i dont think it does

i wouldnt try to eliminate the purge as if its something bad, IME its not like being sick from alcohol, in some experiences ive had the purge was the best bit, have you ever purged rainbows of universally devine ecstasy? I have, its awesome and once something like that happens you tend to change your mind on the purge, well i did anyway.

I draw a big line between being sick and La Purga.

have you tried that recipe? seems like a poor method to me, especially this...

Run the rootbark through a sieve to remove any powdered dust and ensure that only stringy rootbark remains. This is done because rootbark of a stringy consistency is extremely easy to drink down with milk but powdered dusty rootbark has a consistency similar to that of drinking sand.

there is goodness in that dust, dont throw it away.

 

[Make Shift]

Hello.
I have done a lot of reading, really a lot believe. Spend the last few weeks online reading and researching. I have with me yellow caapi vine and leaves shredded (combined into 400 grams)and some 200 grams chaliponga.
I intend on using 100 gram caapi (of which 50 I will drink and will use another if at all the need comes to) and at the maximum 8-10 gram chaliponga.
Now coming to my doubt, I read many experienced people saying the best and recommended is 3x3 hours plus 3 hours reduction for caapi and some saying 4 x 0.5 hours is enough.
Now considering the 3x3 followed by reduction giving us a grand total of 12 hours, what If I can't do this in one day. Say I brew the first session of caapi for 3 hours on saturday, the 2nd one on sunday, 3rd on monday, reduction and intake on tuesday, how would I preserve the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ones? Also how would I keep/preserve the caapi to be used for 2nd and 3rd day?

Has anyone done this or has all done it one day?

Thanks in advance.