first time extraction, non-active white crystals?

[rudraksha]

Hey guys,

Just finished an a/b extraction with ACRB. Since it was my first go at it, i didn't have the best tools for separating the naptha (used a turkey baster but it was difficult to be precise enough, next time i'l get something that works better) and got maybe a drop or two of the soup in with my naptha. I left it in the freezer for 4 days while i was away and came back to some pretty nice fluffy white crystals, though near the bottom there was a little bit of orange. i scraped off about 1g of nice looking white crystals around the edge and then started a recrystallization process with the rest to clean it up and it's back in the freezer now. I tried a hit of the good looking stuff i got but it had pretty much no effect, felt a bit of a body load start to happen, then it just sorta fizzled away pretty quick. The smoke smelt like it should, but was maybe just a tad harsh. Does this stuff i recovered just need to be purified, or do you think it's something else that's the problem? I took a picture for ya.

Thanks

 

[Sykosis]

I'm going to say it's probably your vaping technique, which you didn't really shed much light on.
So how did you try and vape it?

The crystals look great nice job!

 

[rudraksha]

Whoops guess i forgot to mention that, my bad. I'v smoked dmt only once before and used a simple glass pipe with a ball at the end with a hole on the top, and jet lighter underneath with good results. I used the same method this time (though a different lighter), melting the dmt in the pipe doing circles under it with my lighter for a few seconds, then lifting my finger from the hole and let the smoke gather a till it's thick, then inhale slowly, and hold it in. my jet lighter is pretty shitty, i think i need to find a better one maybe that's the problem, but it definitely seems like it's smoking properly as far as i can tell. Think this is the problem?

 

[Sykosis]

Yea that's not exactly the best way to do it, it can work but you can also easily burn your spice. You want to use convection heat as opposed to conduction heat.

I'd recommend getting a GVG or building a machine, however I started by using a standard CLEANED glass MJ pipe with at least 4 screens and placing my spice on a pile of ash. Then hover your lighter over the spice and inhale slowly and deeply.

 

[What a substance]

Nice crystals, indeed!

Sykosis pretty much said everything, so all I will say is a recommend for "the machine" with steel wool and an arc tabletop lighter.

Good luck...whatever you use

 

[shanedudddy2]

I know I have had the same appearance and same experience with getting these non-active/near inactive xtals from confusa.

 

[SpaceSeek]

Seems like you need more crystals from ACRB to get an effect as opposed to say MHRB crystals.

Interesting find.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

if by "jet lighter" you mean torch, it is no wonder you are burning your spice with an oil burner.

switch vaping methods.

 

[rudraksha]

Thanks everyone for the advice... so some time has passed, and i made myself a 'machine' which definitely works much better. I also recrystallized what i had again, and got and got some even nicer looking crystals. Been pretty busy climbing and stuff so just got around to testing it out with a friend last night, and it's still no good.

When we smoked it i got alot of body load (sink right into the chair), and definitely felt a faint DMT feel, very faint visuals but definitely not anywhere near what DMT should do. it felt quite calm, not really unpleasant. definitely not the blast off effect you get from smoking dmt.

Could this be that what i have has alot of NMT in it? Also wondering if it's perhaps because i used ascorbic acid in my extraction as opposed to a stronger acid? Smoking method is definitely not the problem now, as i think it was before (i'm pretty sure we were burning it in the oil pipe).

Any ideas or advice greatly appreciated! If you think it might be my extraction technique i can summarize it, i was working mainly from a pdf by viracocha, doing at A/B extraction with ascorbic acid and lye.

 

[Sykosis]

Could this be that what i have has alot of NMT in it?

Well NMT is hard if not almost impossible to crystallize, it could and most likely does have some but not a lot with crystals like in your first picture.

DMT does effect some people in they way you described, I have a friend who gets no visuals and just an intense body high and zonedness. Have you ever had a visual experience yourself or are you just basing that off others accounts.

I'm sorry, but I'm still under the impression your technique is wrong. Practice, practice, practice the machine takes a little getting use to.

Also what dose are you taking how many Mg?

 

[Megatrondon]

DAAAMN nice!!
i just got kicked from the chat room i guess i need to read the rules ahaha
but yea nice !!

 

[Sykosis]

DAAAMN nice!!
i just got kicked from the chat room i guess i need to read the rules ahaha
but yea nice !!

Yes, I'm guessing you do. You can find them here maybe give them a read before future posts...

 

[Synkromystic]

I have come to the conclusion after many tests that certain acrb's have extremely pure almost inactive white xtals. In my opinion there is now way around it. I have tried many techniques, none produce profound effects. I have even tried eating 100 mg of the white acrb xtals with 180 mg rue xtals, and felt almost nothing, except the harmalas. They smell completely different from mhrb xtals. The strange thing for me is that the brown/amber goo from the acrb is highly active. The acrb from my supplier is a mix of young and old acrb, coming from Hawaii. I will try to put some pics of the inactive xtals later, although i have seen pics of xtals here with the same exact formation....long needle like and EXTRA fluffy. They look absolutely beautiful(they do look distinctly different than any i've seen from mhrb).

I am going to bioassay some actrunkb from taiwan later. It is from fully mature trees that came down in a storm. Again, I dont have any issues with the acrb goo from the immature/mature acrb from Hawaii. I am now absolutely convinced that the inactive xtals are not nn, but are something different. Oh, one more thing. They crash out at room tempurature when the fully saturated naptha is left for a few hours undisturbed. Let's figure this out!!!!!

 

[Metanoia]

I have come to the conclusion after many tests that certain acrb's have extremely pure almost inactive white xtals. In my opinion there is now way around it. I have tried many techniques, none produce profound effects. I have even tried eating 100 mg of the white acrb xtals with 180 mg rue xtals, and felt almost nothing, except the harmalas. They smell completely different from mhrb xtals. The strange thing for me is that the brown/amber goo from the acrb is highly active. The acrb from my supplier is a mix of young and old acrb, coming from Hawaii. I will try to put some pics of the inactive xtals later, although i have seen pics of xtals here with the same exact formation....long needle like and EXTRA fluffy. They look absolutely beautiful(they do look distinctly different than any i've seen from mhrb).

I am going to bioassay some actrunkb from taiwan later. It is from fully mature trees that came down in a storm. Again, I dont have any issues with the acrb goo from the immature/mature acrb from Hawaii. I am now absolutely convinced that the inactive xtals are not nn, but are something different. Oh, one more thing. They crash out at room tempurature when the fully saturated naptha is left for a few hours undisturbed. Let's figure this out!!!!!

These crystals are definitely DMT, just weaker. I thought it was just my own tolerance, which can be quite high, but friends have also said they're much weaker than crystals I had from mimosa.

A friend did 50mg in my gvg and had decent sub-breakthrough effects, so they are DMT...
I was speculating that the formation of the crystals themselves might have something to do with it. They're so fluffy, almost fiberglass-like.

The solution I've come up with is to mix everything together. If you mix the crystals with the goo then make some changa, it provides a much more balanced experience. Since the goo tends to be extremely potent at times, the crystals round out the experience nicely.

 

[Sykosis]

That's strange cause I've always found crystals made from ACRB to be a more pleasant and "colourful" experience.

What Tek are you guys using?

I have found that you need to slow evap your solvent much like when trying to grow crystals, before you freeze to get the dense shimmering crystals that MHRB produces. Otherwise you end up with light powdery looking crystals but they still definitely worked great.

Maybe I will do an ACRB extract this weekend and see what I can conclude, If I have the time.

 

[Metanoia]

What Tek are you guys using?

The thicklight A/B tek. These fluffy crystals drop out at room temperature.

The next extraction I do I was thinking of just going straight to the freezer rather than allowing anything to fall out at room temp.

I'm also going to do a defat after the initial naphtha pull to see if I can separate the crystals from the goo.

 

[jamie]

"A friend did 50mg in my gvg and had decent sub-breakthrough effects, so they are DMT...
I was speculating that the formation of the crystals themselves might have something to do with it. They're so fluffy, almost fiberglass-like."

50mg is still 50mg..reguardless of how dense the stuff is. It is likely that you guys are just pulling a mixture of NMT and DMT, so require more material than an extract that is mostly DMT.

 

[Synkromystic]

"A friend did 50mg in my gvg and had decent sub-breakthrough effects, so they are DMT...
I was speculating that the formation of the crystals themselves might have something to do with it. They're so fluffy, almost fiberglass-like."

50mg is still 50mg..reguardless of how dense the stuff is. It is likely that you guys are just pulling a mixture of NMT and DMT, so require more material than an extract that is mostly DMT.

Exactly. 50 mg of nn dmt should be exactly the same from mimosa or acacia. I cant see how they could have different potency if they are the exact same chemical formation. There has to be some other explanation, like some nmt has crystallized with the dmt. I dont deny that these super fluffy pure white fiberglass like xtals exhibit dmt like effects, its just that the dose required to reach a sub threshold effect is very high. And since nmt has little to no effect at 30 or 40 mg on its own, then i am inclining to the the belief that somehow nmt has crystallized with the dmt(please someone with extensive chem knowledge explain this to me).....or it's a majority nmt and a little dmt, which i find more likely, given my experience with the full spectrum acrb goo, which has primarily dmt effects at a much lower dose, but there is another dimension to the experience, a fuzzy look and feel, for lack of a better word, that i attribute to the nmt synergy with dmt.

Even though people have so much trouble getting nmt to crystallize, i imagine it is possible under the correct circumstances. to get nmt to crystallize, It could just depend on they type of solvent used, but more importantly how it is used...in this case leaving the super saturated solvent at room temperature for hours. Again, the fluffy fiberglass xtals smell nothing like nn dmt to me......

 

[Metanoia]

You guys have the most likely explanation. These crystals do look very much different than other crystals I've extracted from mimosa or even chaliponga. They're all different sources with different alkaloids present, apart from the DMT, but these acacia crystals in particular are very bizarre both in look and effect. I was just trying to argue that they are in fact active and do contain DMT.

Even though people have so much trouble getting nmt to crystallize, i imagine it is possible under the correct circumstances. to get nmt to crystallize, It could just depend on they type of solvent used, but more importantly how it is used...in this case leaving the super saturated solvent at room temperature for hours.

The first time I vaped some of these fluffy crystals I thought perhaps this was the case, until I came online and saw that NMT is an oil at room temperature. Still, this is most likely the case. Either NMT or some other substance has crystalized with the DMT present hence resulting in 'less potent by weight' crystals.

Since I have several grams of them, I should try a recrystalization sometime to see if I can produce 'typical' DMT crystals and how much they drop in weight.

 

[jamie]

there is flavonoids present in acacia confuse as well..so maybe they can be extracted with some of these teks as well.

Is it known that NMT wont crystalize at room temperature when there is some DMT in there as well?