First time hill trippin..? (Advice appreciated:))))

[obliguhl]

Well, you could possibly scream and cry. I don't think a sitter is necessary other than to talk with afterwards. You'll be pretty much paralyzed if your dose is high enough. I once was projecting lots of sadness and negative emotions on the experience and it did not turn horrible. But a good set and setting can give the experience more meaning imho, at least on sub breakthroughs. Don't fear, because that's hindering you big time. Try to melt into the experience as quick as possible..

 

[apostle11]

Welcome to the Nexus my friend!


Delete that Joe Rogan YouTube video from your computer and leave all preconceived ideas at the door. It will be an awakening, own it and let it be your own.

That is good stuff about the Joe Rogan video which is the first second and third thing you get if you youtube DMT (love Joe Rogan) but I know what you are saying.

To OP just be safe clear your mind and have sitter for sure given the setting. Only you can tell if the setting would work be safe and clear of any people that might cause issue.

 

[Phantastica]

ok so one more question arose as i was reading about here and there. it seems that at lower doses, people CAN move around physically, and the unexpected disphoria can intensify this possibility. even though though at high doses, bodies become highly paralytic, the same doesn't seem to be the case for lower doses. would you guys agree..?
I will be tripping on 10mg spice infused in changa. since this is a low dose, the possibility of disphoria and physical movement seems high. what would be a safe low dose that won't be super intense, but also avoid the risky possibility of disphoria and physical movement? does 10mg spice sound good?..or can you recommend a dose for me..
thousand thank you's to all!!

 

[ragabr]

Even during full-breakthroughs SWIM often moves around, especially back when she would lay down on the bed. Pre-breakthrough one has awareness of their surroundings and what they do with their body, so it's not as much of a concern really.

Edit: SWIM also moves around when on salvia breakthroughs, which Terrence McKenna said only 20% of users actually do. So she could just fall into a weird group.

Regarding dysphoria, I don't really think there's a way to avoid it at low doses. SWIM always remembers a body-load, until breakthrough.

 

[Phantastica]

thanks ragabr that helps clearing up my concerns

I honestly always recommend aya first but logistics may be a problem for you.

reading around, i see that many others here also recommend aya first instead of spice, due to its gentle guiding characteristics. i won't be doing aya anytime soon due to certain obligations; so would a caapi changa be recommended before diving into pure white spice?:roll:

 

[gammagore]

so would a caapi changa be recommended before diving into pure white spice?:roll:

yes:d

 

[BananaForeskin]

Even at just sub-breakthrough doses of changa I've always been mentally aware enough not to do anything dangerous. I would personally say a sitter is not necessary for changa, although that might have to do with how my spice-friends and I all take things; you may want to find out how you handle it with a sitter first, and then once you're more comfortable do it alone.

 

[jbark]

First of all welcome Phantastica!

insofar as screaming goes, on one particularly heavy trip I heard a cacophony of voices chanting "its saturday its saturday saturday its saturday." It wasn't until, in a brief wave of lucidity, I lunged forward and opened my eyes and heard myself that I realized that I was the one screaming its saturday at the top of my lungs.

It was sunday.

Good luck.

Cheers,
JBArk

 

[Phantastica]

@obliguhl: yes, melting into the experience is good advice and is exactly what i'll try to do from the very start. another one of the helpful phrases i read here on nexus in camakazi's sig was "accept the possibility that you may never come back..." i think accepting this possibility from the start would ease the ride if things start getting bumpy.
@apostle11 and banana: i would do it with a sitter, but i recently moved to my parents house, and i don't know any "druggies" yet; also, on top of that, the sitter needs to be a "wise druggie" which are very hard to find. i haven't met such people yet; so like i mentioned previously, i need to do it alone. i'm pretty comfortable doing it alone though, so it should be fine...but then, i'm probably saying that cuz i haven't experienced it yet. will find out pretty soon though..
@gamma: super!!

First of all welcome Phantastica!

insofar as screaming goes, on one particularly heavy trip I heard a cacophony of voices chanting "its saturday its saturday saturday its saturday." It wasn't until, in a brief wave of lucidity, I lunged forward and opened my eyes and heard myself that I realized that I was the one screaming its saturday at the top of my lungs.

It was sunday.

Good luck.

Cheers,
JBArk

haha lmao!!:lol:

 

[88]

First of all welcome Phantastica!

insofar as screaming goes, on one particularly heavy trip I heard a cacophony of voices chanting "its saturday its saturday saturday its saturday." It wasn't until, in a brief wave of lucidity, I lunged forward and opened my eyes and heard myself that I realized that I was the one screaming its saturday at the top of my lungs.

It was sunday.

Good luck.

Cheers,
JBArk

LMFAO :lol:

I hope, Phantastica, that you can see that the outcome is at best unpredictable; you cannot really know how you'll react. My standing on head situation was on 120mg + caapi leaf tea beforehand; so by no means sub-breakthrough; others have reported convulsions, shouting, orgasmic screaming ... you might sit there peaceful as a buddha. Who knows. You will have to trust your instinct; tune in and listen to your inner voice.

safe travels

 

[Phantastica]

so by no means sub-breakthrough; others have reported convulsions, shouting, orgasmic screaming ... you might sit there peaceful as a buddha. Who knows.

...yup, who knows..:roll: time and experience will tell.. peaceful as a buddha sounds really nice though (**fingers crossed**)

 

[BananaForeskin]

Ha ha, I understand the lack of sitter problem. I had to take everything first, in my parents house, at opportune moments, and THEN introduce people before I had a sitter.


Good luck!!

 

[Phantastica]

Ha ha, I understand the lack of sitter problem. I had to take everything first, in my parents house, at opportune moments, and THEN introduce people before I had a sitter.

yup sitters aren't easy to find (a mckenna t-shirt would probably help lol). i might just follow your footsteps; especially taking advantage of opportune moments when my parents are aren't around once i'm experienced enough

 

[gammagore]

Smoking Spice in your parents home is risky, you have to get your smoking tek sorted first, which means one needs to experiment. Risky bussiness doing that in one's parents home.

You didnt mention weather SWIY was doing that extraction that was mentioned in the OP was beeing done in his/her parents house. If it was, then I must really stress that SWIY respect's their parents home. Apart from respect, there is a big chance that one could fall into complications with parents getting suspitious about what is going on in their home.

Extracting and smoking DMT in your parents home is a BAD idea. I urge you to find a different method of going about this process. I have no comment on how you can extract your own DMT in the future, but to get your own place.

 

[Phantastica]

Smoking Spice in your parents home is risky, you have to get your smoking tek sorted first, which means one needs to experiment. Risky bussiness doing that in one's parents home.

yes gamma SWIM completely agrees, and for the very reason that he can have his tek sorted out, he will be first trying it alone in the hills for several times at varying dosages/blends/teks. SWIM is an extremely careful person. once he had done enough experimentation that he felt comfortable is when he was planning on doing it at his parents' house. and that too would be done with utmost precaution when his parents would be gone for the weekend or longer (he doesn't plan on doing this anymore though after heeding your advice).

You didnt mention weather SWIY was doing that extraction that was mentioned in the OP was beeing done in his/her parents house. If it was, then I must really stress that SWIY respect's their parents home. Apart from respect, there is a big chance that one could fall into complications with parents getting suspitious about what is going on in their home.

yes it is actually. SWIM apologizes if anyone here finds this morally/ethically "wrong" however. the factor of suspicion has been erased since SWIM's gullible parents believe that SWIM is doing these chemical "experiments" to expand his knowledge of chemistry for his college course. Once again, sorry if the lie makes anyone feel uncomfortable.

Extracting and smoking DMT in your parents home is a BAD idea. I urge you to find a different method of going about this process. I have no comment on how you can extract your own DMT in the future, but to get your own place.

SWIM understand your concern gamma, but like he mentioned, he was only planning on smoking in his parents' house once he's very experienced. SWIM respects your advice very much as you are far beyond his stage and far more experienced. Since you have made clear that smoking in parents' house is a bad idea, SWIM will avoid it, and follow your advice like mentioned above.

 

[ragabr]

SWIM apologizes if anyone here finds this morally/ethically "wrong" however. the factor of suspicion has been erased since SWIM's gullible parents believe that SWIM is doing these chemical "experiments" to expand his knowledge of chemistry for his college course. Once again, sorry if the lie makes anyone feel uncomfortable.

I don't think anyone here has spoken to a moral standard. Honestly, your behavior seems completely age appropriate. I'm just trying to convey some insight into how your actions reflect on your integrity. It appears to me that you haven't critically examined what you behavior communicates and whether that aligns with the True Self you want to manifest. I don't think I'm trying to sell you on any code of behavior here - I just remain acutely aware of the world of pain I went through with mushrooms until I woke up and refused to compromise anymore.

Best of luck.

Edit: Seriously, look at the language you use to refer to your parents. Please.

 

[Phantastica]

I don't think anyone here has spoken to a moral standard. Honestly, your behavior seems completely age appropriate. I'm just trying to convey some insight into how your actions reflect on your integrity. It appears to me that you haven't critically examined what you behavior communicates and whether that aligns with the True Self you want to manifest. I don't think I'm trying to sell you on any code of behavior here - I just remain acutely aware of the world of pain I went through with mushrooms until I woke up and refused to compromise anymore.

Best of luck.

Edit: Seriously, look at the language you use to refer to your parents. Please.

yea ragabr, true that no one here has spoken to a moral standard; i mentioned it just in case. i appreciate your effort to convey the insight btw. and yes, its also true that i havn't critically examined many aspects of my life and many of my flaws are apparent to me. this is one of the reasons i'm here to learn, though i realize that it can be done without any sort of aid. work is in progress...

 

[StrangeLoop]

Hate to come across as another uptight judgmental prick but jeez man, breaking laws in your parents' faces and lying to them about it seems unnecessary to me. For someone who claims to be seeking knowledge and growth from his trips this should be just as apparent to you. Patience is a virtue; DMT will always exist, a solid trusting relationship with your parents might not. You should re-evaluate your intentions, it seems to me that wanting "evolution" out of this is just a facade you've put on over your real desire which is to do drugs.

I'm aware that you're going to do it anyway, so for some advice you can use, I don't recommend a dose as low as 10mg. I found that exceedingly small doses result in a very uncomfortable experience which is more likely to go sour. I'd go for at least 20-25mg, which is enough to fully get a trip going while still not really pushing you over the edge.

 

[Phantastica]

Hate to come across as another uptight judgmental prick but jeez man, breaking laws in your parents' faces and lying to them about it seems unnecessary to me. For someone who claims to be seeking knowledge and growth from his trips this should be just as apparent to you. Patience is a virtue; DMT will always exist, a solid trusting relationship with your parents might not. You should re-evaluate your intentions, it seems to me that wanting "evolution" out of this is just a facade you've put on over your real desire which is to do drugs.

I'm aware that you're going to do it anyway, so for some advice you can use, I don't recommend a dose as low as 10mg. I found that exceedingly small doses result in a very uncomfortable experience which is more likely to go sour. I'd go for at least 20-25mg, which is enough to fully get a trip going while still not really pushing you over the edge.

hey strangeloop, like i mentioned...one of my flaws... Your correct in saying that DMT will stay, and that parents' trust is more important (MHRB could become illegal in the near future, but lets leave that out). I respect them very much btw. but as a hypothetical situation lets assume if your parents were against meditation (not saying that mine are) because the government told them it was wrong. wouldn't that sound ridiculous to you? would you stop meditating to keep your parents happy? drug experience has similar parallels, and just because authorities have the majority convinced that "drugs" are wrong is completely ridiculous to me. Its simply a matter of what is true and what is correct (just my subjective opinion. and my analogy may not click with some). i appreciate your concern and opinion very much however.
oh, and 20mg it is then (pau'darco/mullein/full-range spice) 1:1:2 (40mg total)

 

[buk]

it seems to me that wanting "evolution" out of this is just a facade you've put on over your real desire which is to do drugs.

I dont think thats fair really.