First Time

[jj1022]

Hey I'm thinking of taking Pharmahuasca, but i have a few questions.

Only things I've ever taken before are 2C-I and 25-I. When i took the 25-I, for
me it felt like a slightly higher dose of 2C-I, but nothing exciting, and had too
much body load to ever be able to relax.

That was on a 1000ug dose, 5 days later i took a 2000ug dose of it and it was weaker
than the 1000ug, 3 hours after taking it, no effects.

Basically i want really strong visuals that i can just sink into, how would you describe
what DMT would be like, in terms of say 25-I? I know i always hear 25-I is supposed to be
like LSD, but i'm guessing the effects i get from it is far weaker than LSD.

Really want to make sure i don't jump off the deep end on DMT if i cant handle it.

 

[Enoon]

Never having tried 25-I I can't really answer your question, however I will tell you this: None of these substances will give you ONLY visuals. They alter your mind, your perspective, allow you to explore your mind or give you experiences that seem utterly alien to your mind. The visuals are only a part of it, so please consider these things as you get started on these substances. Otherwise you might get more than you bargained for...

As for intense visuals - DMT definitely will give you those at the right dose, but so will LSD and some strains of mushrooms. As for sinking into the visuals or relaxing... maybe ayahuasca/pharmahuasca rather than vaped spice, or a mix of lsd with a good indica strain.

Hope this helps

 

[Infinite I]

I dont think dmts really comparable to those things. No matter how experienced with psychedelics you are dmt always gives a shock and I dont think many people can handle it, well to a certain extent people do but its still a tremendous shock. Id been taking psychedelics regularly for years and dmt was beyond anything, well a few high dose shroom trips but then id worked up with them and was used to them but still get surprises with mushrooms. dmt blew my mind and those mushroom experiences didnt prepare me, maybe a little but not really. I dont think anything can prepare you tbh not many things give you completely immersive visuals like dmt ime

 

[CharlesBronson]

I agree with Infinite, I've never encountered anything close to DMT. The only thing I can think of that comes somewhat close are high mushroom doses (5-7 grams) and even then, the CEV's are very transparent compared to that of the DMT realm. The only way I can describe it, is you're basically catapulted out of your body into a completely new surrounding almost immediately after vaping with no noticed change of self. 100% clear-headed and rational in a totally alien environment that may have living inhabitants. You can feel the air in this new place, all your senses are telling you that this will be your new home for a while because there's no way it's not real. That's about the time I let go and immerse myself in the DMT world with wide eyes and a giant smile.

 

[jj1022]

Yeah i was looking to take pharmahuasca.

I've read its not so exploding out of your body like smoking DMT is, however since it lasts say 5 hours or so, what
is pharmahuasca comparable to then?

Like say, if someone walks in my room on it, would i even be coherent enough to even realize they are there? Even the 25-I, even at the 2000ug dose, i felt like i could ace an sat, like i was totally coherent and the body load from it kept me so grounded, there was no way to relax on it.

Yet i read other peoples experiences on a dose like that, and they're just totally gone from it.

I wanted to try meditation on pharmahuasca, i tried to do it on 25-I, but the body load was awful and couldn't even lay down for more than 30 seconds because of it. Obviously vaped DMT wouldn't work for that, but pharmahuasca seems more drawn out, so maybe it would. Though i don't know how coherent you actually are during a pharmahuasca trip.

My thoughts were really scattered on 25-I too, like if i tried to think of someone, i would get thoughts of a spoon or something instead, haha.

 

[fairbanks]

My 2C-I experience was hardly even comparable to a good mushroom trip. I wouldn't even begin to compare it to the strength of ayahuasca, analogue, or pharma.

You probably wont be very coherent depending on the dosage you take. The harmalas can sedate you pretty good so you won't be moving around too much, while the DMT takes you to another realm. For me, the time lapse awareness was way worse than on any other psychedelic. Two minutes felt like two hours literally. I would suggest looking into regular ayahuasca before pharmahuasca.

 

[jj1022]

My 2C-I experience was hardly even comparable to a good mushroom trip. I wouldn't even begin to compare it to the strength of ayahuasca, analogue, or pharma.

You probably wont be very coherent depending on the dosage you take. The harmalas can sedate you pretty good so you won't be moving around too much, while the DMT takes you to another realm. For me, the time lapse awareness was way worse than on any other psychedelic. Two minutes felt like two hours literally. I would suggest looking into regular ayahuasca before pharmahuasca.

Really? I was under the impression pharmahuasca was basically ayahuasca without the purging, and in pill form.

 

[fairbanks]

you can still purge under pharmahuasca. there's nothing wrong with purging, it's a good release and ends your aches. don't think you should try to avoid it, doing this may make the exp more difficult dealing with nausea the whole time and nothing to throw up. here's an interesting thread about pharma and difficulty purging: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27314

I feel like regular aya with plant material brew will make the purge easier than if you were to take 100 mg harmaline on an empty stomach.. I just envision a lot of dry heaving.

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

Ayahuasca, JJ1022

Can be incredibly peaceful and powerful altogether. If you're looking for something enjoyable, euphoric, and deeply provoking, albeit with hallucinations that aren't too hard to handle like hero doses of lsd, vaporized DMT or 5 meoDMT

Ayahuasca is right up your alley. it cures depression, adds more serotonin receptors possibly increasing IQ while helping you work through what could have been an entire year of psychotherapy. you might feel intense euphoric tingling sensation shoot across your body, as if your body even had feelings you were just totally unaware of before and somehow this peaceful female/mother/goddess communicates through you, opening all your good sides. giving us wings where once salted wounds we thought wouldn't heal.

almost no other medicine achieves what Ayahuasca does.

Ebay search, black caapi and chacruna or pharma which ever. Caapi is a must

Godbless