Freebase DMT vs. Ayahuasca

[polytrip]

You must have misread. I have only fantasized about it yet. But it works according to some people who've tried it.
Seen the simmilarity between bufotenin and psilocin, there is also no reason to believe it wouldn't work.

According to some people, smoked free-base psilocin is stronger then DMT. But i think it's even stronger sublingually because of the instability of the molecule at high temperature's.

 

[balaganist]

SWIM would have to agree with Ice House Shaman. DMT orally with THH is a very nice experience, not nearly as wild as smoked DMT or DMT with rue. It’s a superb psychedelic experience that allows you to go really deep into it without much “mind fuck”. That’s got to be the best way to use DMT in SWIM’s opinion. The only other option is taking it sublingually via Virola callophyla resin. Smoking DMT is too wild to be of any benefit to SWIM. Taking it with rue is almost just as wild. Taking it with THH is like no other experience there is. It’s one of the best psychedelic experiences you can have. Full of lots of meaning, and you don’t easily get lost in the experience. You retain a lot of self control with that combination. SWIM loves it.

Interesting - I have been getting quite into Ayahuasca of late, I'm curious to try THH + Spice also...
I'm wondering - do people have a preference for pure dmt or full alkaloid jungle spice for oral consumption with thh?

 

[Phlux-]

awesome avatar balaganist.

 

[WSaged]

awesome avatar balaganist.

What is that thing?
Is it some kind of caterpillar?


WS

 

[nodice]

I dont think the Mind fuck of smoked DMT is that at all. It is just that the learning comes in the processing afterwords.

 

[Virola78]

"Makes me wonder…
If psilocin could be administered beyond the blood-brain barrier, would it then ‘launch’ one into hyperspace?
I am guessing 1) the ‘complete biochemical (path)way’ the molecule has to travel to the main site(s) of effect (the serotonin receptors, beyond the blood-brain barrier**) is very much influencing the experience. The longer it takes (aya, psilocin), the more of a gradual breakdown of normal reality/ego is experienced. As compared to the overwhelming flash of dmt when vaporized. Btw never done dmt myself (yet). Needs to be noted."

Psilocybin can launch one into hyperspace anyway by the oral route. I have had this happen a few times. You just need to get good mushrooms and eat enough of them. Eat more than you have ever eaten and lie down in a dark room..if you dont get there..eat more.

the breakthrough for me is a bit different than DMT..kind of more colorful..but definatily very similar..but it holds you there for so long..it can be frightening. I very rarely take that much psilocybin.

Well I have been very deep on the shrooms. Saw some pretty amazing stuff . I can remeber the transition from there to back here. And I also remember that during that transition I was thinking: WOW, but too bad I wont be able to bring back any of what was shown to me. The instant knowledge I had acces to in that matrix I was part of, turned into some complex very meaningfull symbols. And that was pretty much all that was left of it when I got back on earth. The significance remained nonetheless. The lessons were well learnt and understood, and integrated into my consciousness. But the matrix was gone. The only things I can remember about the matrix (the meaning of those symbols representing the matrix) is that it is neutral and non-dualistic, paradoxical, and forms some sort of all binding connecting platform (membrane) made of pure and all-aware consciousness. It was complete and infinite. It is literaly everything (and nothing). Not a new idea I know. But sure it was like that.

It was very clear to me that those other realms of the mind were not to be comprehended when back in normal state of consciousness. It was like seeing multiple dimensions at once, and then snapping back into 3D world... This is the problem with hyperspace I guess (I really need to extract me some spice to find out).

 

[Virola78]

You must have misread. I have only fantasized about it yet. But it works according to some people who've tried it.
Seen the simmilarity between bufotenin and psilocin, there is also no reason to believe it wouldn't work.

According to some people, smoked free-base psilocin is stronger then DMT. But i think it's even stronger sublingually because of the instability of the molecule at high temperature's.

Can the psilocin easily pass the blood-brain barrier? Or is this a slow proess?
Dmt will pass through easily, maybe because it is endogenous.

That is why i was wondering about psilocine adminstered beyond (passed) the blood-brain barrier (if this could be possible)

 

[Virola78]

"
Psilocybin can launch one into hyperspace anyway by the oral route.

Launch?
I mean, like a dmt-flash?

 

[jamie]

yes A long psilocybin flash. Shouldnt be so hard to belive..you just need to take enough psilocybin. At those doses I usually cannot walk thouhg..I am lying on the floor rolling back and forth.

 

[balaganist]

awesome avatar balaganist.

What is that thing?
Is it some kind of caterpillar?


WS

yes it is a caterpillar found on my travels in ecuador...

 

[OnthePath]

I too am very curious on this topic as I've been travelling with the spice for a while and have recently obtained the necessary compounds for aya. Will need to wait a month or so before I have the chance in an empty house but in the meantime I'm looking for as much info on the topic as possible. I'm confident I'll benefit yet I still yearn for more info.

Perhaps a sub topic for aya here would be good. Not sure if this would step on the toes of the Aya forums but I find the perspective of the members here to more mirror my own.

 

[polytrip]

"Makes me wonder…
If psilocin could be administered beyond the blood-brain barrier, would it then ‘launch’ one into hyperspace?
I am guessing 1) the ‘complete biochemical (path)way’ the molecule has to travel to the main site(s) of effect (the serotonin receptors, beyond the blood-brain barrier**) is very much influencing the experience. The longer it takes (aya, psilocin), the more of a gradual breakdown of normal reality/ego is experienced. As compared to the overwhelming flash of dmt when vaporized. Btw never done dmt myself (yet). Needs to be noted."

Psilocybin can launch one into hyperspace anyway by the oral route. I have had this happen a few times. You just need to get good mushrooms and eat enough of them. Eat more than you have ever eaten and lie down in a dark room..if you dont get there..eat more.

the breakthrough for me is a bit different than DMT..kind of more colorful..but definatily very similar..but it holds you there for so long..it can be frightening. I very rarely take that much psilocybin.

Well I have been very deep on the shrooms. Saw some pretty amazing stuff . I can remeber the transition from there to back here. And I also remember that during that transition I was thinking: WOW, but too bad I wont be able to bring back any of what was shown to me. The instant knowledge I had acces to in that matrix I was part of, turned into some complex very meaningfull symbols. And that was pretty much all that was left of it when I got back on earth. The significance remained nonetheless. The lessons were well learnt and understood, and integrated into my consciousness. But the matrix was gone. The only things I can remember about the matrix (the meaning of those symbols representing the matrix) is that it is neutral and non-dualistic, paradoxical, and forms some sort of all binding connecting platform (membrane) made of pure and all-aware consciousness. It was complete and infinite. It is literaly everything (and nothing). Not a new idea I know. But sure it was like that.

It was very clear to me that those other realms of the mind were not to be comprehended when back in normal state of consciousness. It was like seeing multiple dimensions at once, and then snapping back into 3D world... This is the problem with hyperspace I guess (I really need to extract me some spice to find out).

This sounds very much like an experience i had with a psilocybin-ayahuasca combo. Very much even. I also felt the presence of god, during that event.

 

[polytrip]

You must have misread. I have only fantasized about it yet. But it works according to some people who've tried it.
Seen the simmilarity between bufotenin and psilocin, there is also no reason to believe it wouldn't work.

According to some people, smoked free-base psilocin is stronger then DMT. But i think it's even stronger sublingually because of the instability of the molecule at high temperature's.

Can the psilocin easily pass the blood-brain barrier? Or is this a slow proess?
Dmt will pass through easily, maybe because it is endogenous.

That is why i was wondering about psilocine adminstered beyond (passed) the blood-brain barrier (if this could be possible)

Free-base psilocin passes the blood-brain barrier faster the free-base DMT. At least, according to some people who've experienced it. It apparenty hit's you faster then DMT, when smoked.

My idea is to extract psilocin. turning it into a base, and then taking it sublingualy.
If you have strong mushrooms, you might not even need extracting it.

 

[Virola78]

Free-base psilocin passes the blood-brain barrier faster the free-base DMT. At least, according to some people who've experienced it. It apparenty hit's you faster then DMT, when smoked.

My idea is to extract psilocin. turning it into a base, and then taking it sublingualy.
If you have strong mushrooms, you might not even need extracting it.

Hi there my fellow dutchman : )

Yes I have also read some threads in the mushroom section where they talk about free base psilocin and alternative ways of adminstration. Would be interesting to know when psilocin enters the bloodstream when taken like food (through intestines). And how long is takes for all the psilocin to get fully absorbed. For as far as eaten psilocin (including juice ; ) is absorbed at all. My guess is sublingualy taken psilocin gets absorbed faster and more completely. I have seen allot of info and discussion on the subject, right here at the nexus. Maybe this is the time to sort it out and begin planning some experiments : )

 

[Virola78]

I dont think the Mind fuck of smoked DMT is that at all. It is just that the learning comes in the processing afterwords.

The lessons learnt are usefull. Healing if you like.
But I would like to understand what is happening.

 

[DisEmboDied]

To me these days low to medium dose freebase dmt can be much more similar to aya experiences, especially when aya leaves or syrian rue seeds are smoked beforehand. In this way it is much more beneficial, but it does suck when the lesson has just begun and you are forced to go home...