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theTOAD

theTOAD

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My friend, has been listening to my reports from 30 to 40 mg vaporized hits and wants to experience it for himself. He is not a novice when it comes to many substances but i dont know if I feel comfortable being the one to give him spice for the first time. All of my journeys ( no breakthroughs yet) have been easy to handle and ive felt like nothing could harm me. But ive also read reports of relatively low doses turning ugly. He is a very good friend of mine, and im much more worried about him having a bad experience than I am when Im preparing to take off. If he feels hes ready should I support him and let him make his own decisions? I dont know, just because I have decided to tred this path do I have the experience to put other people on it? Any advice is welcome. And yes I know this is not something to just play around with because you're bored, or for any other trivial reason for that matter.
 
" im much more worried about him having a bad experience than I am when Im preparing to take off. "

Why? Isn't your safety as important as his? And how did you do it the first time? Everyone here is on about safety, and of course it's absolutely important, but it's also true that nothing can truly prepare you. I don't think there are many here who can say they've been guided by a shaman before and during their first plunge. Honestly, if your friend is well informed, experienced and feels ready, I don't see what else you can ask of someone. Just make sure the set and setting are right, and the substance is good.

Otherwise, it sounds like the issues might lie with your relationship with him, or with you and your role, and not with him directly. Is there something that makes him different than any of us?
 
I would advise against the simultaneous blast at the first time. Let him know that you are 100% there for him, ground him, play music, sit beside him if need be. Touch is very grounding.

I did have an extremely experienced friend (some changa and lots of Santo Daime) have a harrowing changa experience where she unconsciously tried to crawl beneath a sofa and screamed bloody murder. Instinctively, I held her, she came down, and all was well. But these things can happen, so it is good to at least spot your friend totally before going in with him.

That's my general rule... I watch everyone very closely... and only if they want to keep exploring and seem to have it together, do we blast off together. I always go last, and have been able to fortunately disassociate from my experiences IMMEDIATELY and IN A SNAP whenever help has been needed (both with changa and Ayahuasca). This has been accomplished through grace of the medicine. I would not rely on it. Best to prepare.

Caring for others, when it is my medicine and my call, also interferes with me letting go 100% completely. But that's another story. ;)

It's a huge responsibility. Care for him like a newreborn!
 
ms manic thank you for the advice. ive had to be there for people on lsd when i was not really there myself and know it can be hard. If my friend decides he really wants to try spice ill just take it easy and stay 100 percent sober. and to shayku. i feel you may have misinterpreted my words slightly. I didnt mean that i have a lack of regard for my own safety. I was just saying that I know what bad experiences can be like on lsd and mushrooms and dont want to feel responsible for bringing anything unpleasant on my friend. I always try to be as safe as possible when taking anything, and prepare mentally beforehand. but that does not always mean you are safe from having a difficult time. the first time i tried spice ( many years ago) I was young and stupid and smoked what was past to me. I had no idea until after. and i feel like that festival goer was not acting very responsibly. I was only 17 and from eveythinog ive read here he should have at least told me what i was getting into. I think im just going to tell my friend to get online and do the research, just so he knows, and then if he really wants to ill be there for him.
 
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