Further developing eLiquid

[Prophetec]

Thank you for taking the time to read my brief introduction.

I live in Peru, so I have wonderful access to various natural resources. I began here by sharing my knowledge of renewable energy, with the idea of helping to protect the environment.

The experience led me to understand the interaction of those proposing sustainable development, and the real results of those interactions on indigenous people, families, communities, and culture. The reality was far from the idealistic ideas which I, and my companions in this adventure, had - even with all our good intentions.

This realization led me back to developing myself spiritually - seeking a better understanding of my relationship with the world - and a deeper intuition about the actual cause and effect in our interactions.

Meanwhile - I had dove into the world of electronic cigarettes. First, from selfish motivations of wanting to separate tobacco from my nicotine addiction. After finding the experience rewarding and life changing, I sought to share that experience with others and introduce them to vaping instead of using tobacco. Once again I found the effect of my good intentions led some people to nicotine addiction, and despite the safety I found in eCigs, the addiction could lead to tobacco use if the supply chain was broken by regulation, relocation, or simply market inconvenience. My enthusiasm quickly waned at the thought of leading even one person to nicotine addiction.

My love for the Amazon led me to the world of Ayahuasca... The world of Ayahuasca and my need to understand it's functions led me to knowledge of DMT. Knowledge of DMT led me to investigating the many plants that offer this marvelous connector. Researching these plants led me to the DMT-Nexus.me. Two weeks of landing here, let me to what to send a PM to a member requesting their book on a Chacruna TEK (only avaialbe by email, vs PM) - and my inability to PM a member led me to joining. The inability of a new member to PM a member led me to filling out a longggg survey... and now sharing a bit about me here...

My point is this:

I have been led, kicking and scratching, to more and more knowledge. It is as if the plant knew that it was my time, and that I was ready. To find this community is like walking into a Grateful Dead parking lot (some of you may understand this) and feeling like "WOW - so this is where my people are!".

I am thrilled to have been forced to step into the door, and no longer just looking through the windows at your many wonderful and informative posts. I hope someday I have something interesting to offer.

My goal is to create a start to finish technical explanation and video for the extraction of DMT from Chacruna (which I think a member has already done), then the proper infusion of DMT and MAOIs in B. caapi into an eLiquid (something similar has been explored), explore its use and experiences in spiritual journeys and later study the effect on addiction.

For those of you who have explored the Ayahuasca "purge" - most find it to be a huge step. However, many seem to resist trying it because of their fear of this part of the process. Smoking DMT seems to be more of a BAM, and your out, with far less of an opportunity to really travel through the whole experience. I am looking for something in the middle. A long enough and deep enough journey to be really a valuable experience (rather than a "oh, that was cool, what just happenned). Don't get me wrong - I think everyone has there own version of what is a valuable experience - and I respect that. I'm just looking for my own - and with this method.

My dream is to have a lodge in the Amazon that is run by the indigenous and strictly follows their customs and way of doing things...

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

Hello Prophetec,and welcome to the Nexus.

There are many threads on the Nexus discussing using Electronic cigarettes as a ROA for DMT. Hope you have seen and read them, it might help with what you are trying to accomplish.

I dont think Ive seen anyone yet talk of adding DMT and Harmalas to an E Liquid. But it sounds like an interesting idea.

Have you heard of Changa? Its a smokeable blend of DMT and Harmalas infused into other smokable herbs.
So essentially, you want to make and Changa E Liquid.

Good luck to you, I'm interested to hear of your progress.:thumb_up:

 

[anrchy]

I don't think there is any worry that electronic vaping is a gateway drug to cigarettes. there have actually been studies that point to nicotine not being addictive on its own. Ever hear of a nicotine gum addict?

Mz.Gypzy is correct, there are threads on using ecigs for dmt although there is a strict technique in order to get it to be anywhere near efficient. As far as maoi, I would just make changa.

 

[wesker]

its a nice idea, mabye you might want to read about dissolving bho (butane hash oil) into glicerine or alcohol for ecig usage, i think this might help you or at least improve your idea, ive had successfully made bho work on an ecig just with glycerine.

good luck mate.

 

[whippits]

Welcome to the Nexus!

I too am an avid ecig smoker. While I have used my ecig as a ROA for various other drugs, before last night I had never tried DMT via it. I plan to explore it and collect as much data as I possibly can on it. I've been mixing my own ejuice for a year and a half now so I've got all the materials I need (everything used is food grade or better, I don't skimp when it comes to quality) to get this project started!

I've read a significant portion of the "ecigs as a ROA" threads, but I feel the main issue is that most of them were started years ago. Since then an incredible amount of progress has been made in the field of vaporizing.

My first test was 150mg/1mL PG. I have a mechanical mod with a dripper atomizer built down to 0.15 ohms, so I was hesitant to start out at too high of a concentration. Even at that low of a concentration (most people claim you need 1g/1mL PG), I was readily noticing effects with short infrequent drags. I have yet to attempt a breakthrough dosage via my ecig but I will soon enough and post my findings.

I look forward to collaborating data with you

 

[Doc Buxin]

Welcome Prophetic!

Seems as though you've got your work cut out for you!!

Best of luck to you & see you around the forum.

 

[Prophetec]

Thank you all for the feedback thus far... I already feel so welcome here.

Whippits: That's fantastic. I too had heard about a 1g:1.5ml ratio - where seven 10 second drags was enough for breakthrough (using an EVOD). As you know, the eLiquid actually helps create a smoother voyage over a longer amount of time versus straight smoking, that can be more like a rocket launch. I accidentally vaped some MAOI (long story) - but that is what connected the dots. What I am really interested in accomplishing is an Ayahuasca journey, and I think if I get it right it could create a really insightful experience without the extremes of traditional methods. SWIM is doing some extractions this week ;-)

Wesker: I went the BHO route as well. I really like it when it works well, but I've had some trouble with the liquid seperating, and that it quickly gums up the system gradually only letting liquid through, and none of the fun stuff.

I will be sure to share my challenges, and hopefully some results (assuming they are worth posting.).

Thank you again for being here: staring, sharing, caring.

 

[whippits]

Thank you all for the feedback thus far... I already feel so welcome here.

Whippits: That's fantastic. I too had heard about a 1g:1.5ml ratio - where seven 10 second drags was enough for breakthrough (using an EVOD). As you know, the eLiquid actually helps create a smoother voyage over a longer amount of time versus straight smoking, that can be more like a rocket launch. I accidentally vaped some MAOI (long story) - but that is what connected the dots. What I am really interested in accomplishing is an Ayahuasca journey, and I think if I get it right it could create a really insightful experience without the extremes of traditional methods. SWIM is doing some extractions this week ;-)

Wesker: I went the BHO route as well. I really like it when it works well, but I've had some trouble with the liquid seperating, and that it quickly gums up the system gradually only letting liquid through, and none of the fun stuff.

I will be sure to share my challenges, and hopefully some results (assuming they are worth posting.).

Thank you again for being here: staring, sharing, caring.

Regarding an Aya like journey, your best method would be to orally dose extracted caapi alkaloids and then adjust level of your trip with DMT in PG. If you dissolved both the MAOI and DMT in the PG it would be the equivalent of smoking Changa without the herbs. That is, a trip that lasts 15 minutes instead of 5..

 

[DiMoiTou]

Welcome Prophetec

As you know, the eLiquid actually helps create a smoother voyage over a longer amount of time versus straight smoking, that can be more like a rocket launch.

I don't have much experience with vaping DMT but from what I gathered, "straight smoking" (which I would rather call "regular vaping" (VS 'e-vaping')) is like a rocket launch because taking your time doesn't work so well for a breakthrough, partly due to the very short duration of DMT, and partly due to something else, temporary tolerance buildup I assume.

But again, I only have very limited experience with DMT.
I haven't resumed my ecig experiences yet since I came back from holidays...but now you're teasing me.

Anyway, good luck on your research. I still don't know which harmala salt will dissolve in e-juice (and be safe), because freebase won't dissolve, I was told.

 

[anrchy]

This ( Vaping with e-cig juice - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus ) is the most up to date thread on using an ecig. Please contribute in that thread so we can have all info more organized into one thread.

Things that have been done so far:

1mg:1ml DMT : PG
Use in an advanced mod and RDA
Attempts made with tanks and other various atomizers
Multiple pulls vs one large pull
ect ect

There is a lot of info in that thread so please read through it so you know what doesnt work and what has been found to be most reliable. My most succesful attempt was done with an RDA, regulated mod, and 1:1 ratio of DMT to PG.

As you know, the eLiquid actually helps create a smoother voyage over a longer amount of time versus straight smoking, that can be more like a rocket launch.

I am not sure what makes you think this is true but using an ecig is no different than vaping with the gvg, the machine, ect as far as come up and length of time. MAOI is the only thing that would do this.

Need to keep this in mind; taking your dose in multiple hits vs taking 1 single hit will result in less DMT being absorbed in your lungs. So if thats what you mean by a smoother ride over a longer time this can be achieved by taking smaller hits over a length of time with any ROA. Has nothing to do with using an Ecig vs using a pipe.

 

[Prophetec]

Thank you Anrchy... I started reading that thread, and came back to make sure to say "Thanks"!

Unfortunately, I don't think I'm allowed to reply anywhere but in the welcome section. I will try when I have something to add, and just see if I'm "in" yet.

All my best...

 

[anrchy]

Thank you Anrchy... I started reading that thread, and came back to make sure to say "Thanks"!

Unfortunately, I don't think I'm allowed to reply anywhere but in the welcome section. I will try when I have something to add, and just see if I'm "in" yet.

All my best...

Look forward to seeing more input on the topic. And yes that thread is within the new member area so you are able to contribute there. :thumb_up:

 

[Prophetec]

I am finally back to report on this

SWIM was successful in making the DMT e-Liquid, and found it to be a wonderful way to cross over. The hits are smooth, the journey begins quickly and smoothly, lasts longer than smoking, and the transition back is smooth and extended. Using an Ayahuaca alkaloid extract orally extended the journey considerably, both in depth and length.

Thanks to all the great information here SWIM was able to do a good DMT extract from Mimosa. SWIM chose Lextek as my preferred method:

Lextek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

And a good alkaloid extract from my Cappi thanks to gibran2 :thumb_up:

Pictorial Guide to Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Making DMT e-liquid works fantastic, and is really simple. SWIM used a 1:1 ratio of vegetable glycerin to DMT (by weight), slightly warming it to get a nice mixture. Using a Kangertec T3D (which has a double resistor) SWIM can get great vaporization. In about 3 - 5 good pulls, the journey begins with about 10 minutes on the other side. It's really a great way to share with fellow travelers as well.

The alkaloid extract seems to be impossible to mix with either VG or PG. After several tries, SWIM finally gave up. Taking about 100 mg orally about 45 minutes pre-flight gave me a much deeper and longer experience with the use of the e-Liquid. It is about 25 minutes on the other side, with a longer post-flight reintegration. Highly recommended.

For me, this is the evolution of shamanism, and humanity. Lots of love to all who have shared great information here to help guide us on our way, and to those beginning their journey.

And the next journey is always just a click away :shock:

 

[Plaidie]

I am finally back to report on this

SWIM was successful in making the DMT e-Liquid, and found it to be a wonderful way to cross over. The hits are smooth, the journey begins quickly and smoothly, lasts longer than smoking, and the transition back is smooth and extended. Using an Ayahuaca alkaloid extract orally extended the journey considerably, both in depth and length.

Thanks to all the great information here SWIM was able to do a good DMT extract from Mimosa. SWIM chose Lextek as my preferred method:

Lextek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

And a good alkaloid extract from my Cappi thanks to gibran2 :thumb_up:

Pictorial Guide to Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Making DMT e-liquid works fantastic, and is really simple. SWIM used a 1:1 ratio of vegetable glycerin to DMT (by weight), slightly warming it to get a nice mixture. Using a Kangertec T3D (which has a double resistor) SWIM can get great vaporization. In about 3 - 5 good pulls, the journey begins with about 10 minutes on the other side. It's really a great way to share with fellow travelers as well.

The alkaloid extract seems to be impossible to mix with either VG or PG. After several tries, SWIM finally gave up. Taking about 100 mg orally about 45 minutes pre-flight gave me a much deeper and longer experience with the use of the e-Liquid. It is about 25 minutes on the other side, with a longer post-flight reintegration. Highly recommended.

For me, this is the evolution of shamanism, and humanity. Lots of love to all who have shared great information here to help guide us on our way, and to those beginning their journey.

And the next journey is always just a click away :shock:

That´s very interesting. I´m just wondering how manny watts you are putting through your device. i am using ni200 0.2 sub ohm coil tank system. mix my liquid mostly VG. mostly pulling 55 W through my coils. i think it will be way to strong using my setting. Clearly i have to research this topic better

 

[Prophetec]

I should have been more specific Plaidie...

SWIM is using the 1.8 ohm dual resistor at 4.2 volts (it's a variable voltage battery)... so 9.8 watts.

SWIM also has a .5 ohm @ 4V (32w) which is just too hot, and 1 ohm @ 4V (16W) works well, but still seems to get to hot. The thing is that the eLiquid when it warms becomes very very liquid - so I think it sort of floods on the third or forth pull and get's crackly and spurts, it's seems rather explosive (because of the DMT?). I far prefer the T3D tank for consistent smooth operation. Nothing like super hot liquid burning your lips as you go into your voyage, lol. With the higher wattage system you could probably just mix down (1:3 dmt:liquid) too get it to behave a bit better - but I think it's just preference at that point.

Happy vaping brother!

 

[Horizon_Bloom]

Hey prophetic! Welcome to one of the most kickass forums on incredibly interesting stuff!

I have a good feeling you'll get promoted. The email you probably recieved as soon as you registered has a really good link for finding topics on the Nexus. The google link (using "your search site: www.dmt-nexus.me/ ", where "your search" is a key word or phrase). Easily 1000x better than the Forum search engine.

I'm an vaper as well. Here in the US, as a matter of fact, there is a 'Deeming Proposal' for the Food and Drug Administration, that might make getting quality liquids very difficult, except in disposable ecigs made by Big Tobacco, by classifying eliquid as a Tobacco product. I'm already preparing for the possibility by mixing my own from concentrated nicotine (use safety if you do- can absorb through skin relatively fast, and make you very sick), and by growing my own tobacco for extraction. I currently have a seedling tray each of two types N. Tabacum (some for eventual changas, maybe) and N. Rustica (for extraction, mostly). I'm also at a relatively low concentration of nicotine (~2-4mg/ml) and I'm tapering down to eventually 0mg for my all-day vape. It bothers me, mostly, that I have been smoking so long, and that it doesn't even affect me, just gives me withdrawls if I don't have some. No Bueno.


If you decide to mix your own eliquid with nicotine, this calculator is perfect:

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[Horizon_Bloom]

That´s very interesting. I´m just wondering how manny watts you are putting through your device. i am using ni200 0.2 sub ohm coil tank system. mix my liquid mostly VG. mostly pulling 55 W through my coils. i think it will be way to strong using my setting. Clearly i have to research this topic better

I'm curious why you would be using wattage control with nickle 200 wire, instead of using temp control or using kanthal coils, or nichrome coils, and using wattage/voltage control. I have a spool of ni200 I was playing around with for a while (I'm pretty hardcore into DIY- I build my coils, mix liquid, I even wired up my own mod with a DNA40 chip, which has temp control, hence my playing with ni200). Personally, I find the wire to be too malleable, and IMO it gives a weird taste to anything I vape, even after a week long "break in" period.

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Seriously, though (and the Sub tanks are pretty good- personally, I have an Atlantis 2 that I figured how to rebuild the coil heads for) I HIGHLY recommend drippers (RDAs). There are a lot of very good ones out there, as well as a lot of actually decent clones of the good ones (my favorite is the Big Dripper- mine's a $10usd clone). The vapor production from tanks simply cannot compete, at a given setting (this is changing fast, though. My Atlantis can keep up with my Big Dripper, and I can even open the airflow more on my Atlantis 2 than the BD).

I also have found that airflow seems, to me, the biggest factor in an enjoyable vape. Too many tanks have really tight airflow, which means less juice flow. That, combined with less air turbulence to the coil, makes for less vapor IME. I can rip HUGE clouds with a simple dual coil @ 1ohm, driving 20w to the coils.

I rarely go up to 40w, and I typically wind coils with 28awg Kanthal (A1) @ ~0,5 ohms (dual 1ohm coils), running 25w-35w.

 

[anrchy]

If your getting flooding it's due to the tank your using not the dmt mixture. Adding dmt to pg/vg actually makes it thicker.

Curious, I'm wondering why you aren't dripping with the dmt rather than using such a low voltage device. My experience with anything that isn't built for clouds just didn't produce very good results and required too many hits. You said 3-5 hits? With a dripper or even your v2 and a 1:1 ratio you should only need 1 or 2 hits to go decently far. From my own personal experience I feel that with the setup your using it isn't possible to breakthrough without harmalas.

EDIT: sorry got confused between who had what. I was meaning this towards OP and he didn't say he had a v2

 

[ducdevil]

Greetings from another avid vaper....
I am interested in where this topic goes; hopefully through trial, error and sharing of experiences we can hone in on some solid and repeatable technique.
I look forward to the knowledge we will all share...
Namaste!

 

[Prophetec]

If your getting flooding it's due to the tank your using not the dmt mixture. Adding dmt to pg/vg actually makes it thicker.

Curious, I'm wondering why you aren't dripping with the dmt rather than using such a low voltage device. My experience with anything that isn't built for clouds just didn't produce very good results and required too many hits. You said 3-5 hits? With a dripper or even your v2 and a 1:1 ratio you should only need 1 or 2 hits to go decently far. From my own personal experience I feel that with the setup your using it isn't possible to breakthrough without harmalas.

EDIT: sorry got confused between who had what. I was meaning this towards OP and he didn't say he had a v2

Hi Anrchy,

Breakthrough is not only possible, it's easy. The harmalas defineately extend the journey, and the voltage you can take up to 4.8, but 4.2 seems just right. It's nice and smooth and gets you where you want to go. You can simply pull until you can't pull any more. I'm sure a dripper would give you a bigger hit, but that does not necessarily mean it's better than taking several hits... especially for those who might have a coughing fit with a monster hit. Plus, the wonderful convenience of a tank so you don't have to reload half way into the journey if you don't get it right the first time.

Whatever method gets you where you want to go is the right method for you ;-)