Geometry of DMT crystals

[downwardsfromzero]

diamonds from lime tek...

Very, very lovely! A girl's best friend?

 

[benzyme]

any m.p. test conducted on those diamond-like crystals? they don't look like typical dmt crystals, but more like inorganic salts

 

[truthone]

No, I never tested them. They were pretty strong, and defiantly amazing, but no more than any clear needle structured xtal. Is that possible? Them being salts? Keep in mind, I only get these from the first two pulls, and its the only structure to show up. It seems they only come when its really saturated.

 

[DreaMTripper]

DMT and unknown alkaloid fumarates from a.longifolia branches.

 

[CaptainFuture]

When purity of the materila is very highthese diamond, solid shapes form thats what I found. And they seem to be stronger in experience, but I don't wanna start this discussion again

I am recently much more into TOAD magic / 5 MeO DMT btw. which is surely not really visual but showing us much more how we can change the world. With Love. We're using the Toad magic on our weekends very very successfull. (www.psilohuasca.com)

But I would never try to extract the magic from the Toad secretion though. Its magic in itself.


I have found that adding 20mgs of DMT to the Toad secretion makes the experience more smooth and gentle at the beginning which helps to calm down and give better into the 5 MeO experience.

Be Love everyone

 

[TiHKAL]

Alright I'm going to contribute to the research of my friend CF.

I've done a recrystallization on 1g of my MHRB Q21 Fluffly product split in 2x 500mg groups.

Each step was exactly the same and I've used 40° Wundbenzin for the one group and 40° Hexane for the other.

What I noticed was that the Hexane dissolved the 500mg of DMT extremely quick after about 8ml.
It dissolved quickly but it also recrystallized extremely fast at the bottom while I was still working with the product.
I did not notice any layers of oil that I'm going to talk about later with the Wundbenzin.
After finishing the process I let the "leftovers" evaporate while leaving the Hexane cooling to roomtemperature for 12 hours before putting it for 12 hours inside the fridge and then transferring it to the freezer for 4 days.

"Leftovers" from the recrystallization

Hexane crystals

I've done the same process with the Wundbenzin but noticed a seperation of oils after adding the warm Wundbenzin to the product and letting it rest. I needed almost 25ml of Wundbenzin to dissolve 500mg of DMT. It also took a lot longer and looked like I was dissolving a fizzy/carbon tablet. I've only picked up the upper part of the solution and these are the results.

"Leftovers"

Wundbenzin crystals

So does anybody have an idea what the oil could be that refuses to evaporate and that's left in my Wundbenzin recrystallization?
I think it's pretty interesting how the same process with two different chemicals can produce such different results.
The crystals are significantly different and I'll try to take a better picture of them soon.
I'm left with little diamonds, shark tooths, honeycombs and icebergs.

Chime in and let me know what I can change, experiment with.

 

[CaptainFuture]

Dear, your pics are not there, please upload them again...

 

[Eaglepath]

i want to shrink myself to 1/2 the size of one of those 'diamonds' and chop it up with a light saber

Hahahahaha and more hahahaahh moooore hahahahaahah

 

[null24]

i want to shrink myself to 1/2 the size of one of those 'diamonds' and chop it up with a light saber

Hahahahaha and more hahahaahh moooore hahahahaahah

Came here this morning to see the active discussions entirely populated with one line lol style posts from you eaglepath. Padding your post number is not necessary nor will it help you gain anything.

I feel you just polluted the nexus with a whole bunch of unnecessary posts that only serve you in your mind:thumb_dow .

Not cool. Leaving until some good stuff from others appears. Have a swell day.

 

[Bisy]

The only way crystal structure is going to alter the potency is if it somehow alters the vaporization rate or decomposition rate of dmt during smoking.
Well, I did melt them inside the machine bubbler wire, same as with all of the other crystals I used, so same vape rate, I'd say.

All this talk about energy being locked up in diamond crystals doesn't make sense.
Well, thats your opinion. There definitely is energy in crystals. F.e. piezo in quartz crystals. Guess why you're CPU works for you?

Also its quite normal that different kinds of crystals come from different solvents and different purity extracts.
Like I said, SAME solvent in any re-x used. And I had clear crystals growing with the 'common' crystals type, too. But like I said I will test if the diamond shape is built out of more pure DMT molecules.

This is well known with almost any substance one purifies. This is why when people describe molecules in scientific literature the physical description (ie 'long white needles' or whatever) is always written with the solvent used for crystallization.
In my case the same solvent from the same canister brought up different crystals shapes.

Either way awesome specimens.

Thanks!

Dr. Masaru emoto studies water crystal formation under different emotional influences, and from different water sources and he claims to have proven scientifically that they store conscious energy, and said energy effects crystal structure and formation.

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Bisy, stop spreading false information. Dr. Emoto's claims have been proven false multiple times.

 

[Bisy]

Bisy, stop spreading false information. Dr. Emoto's claims have been proven false multiple times.

I had no intention of presenting that as a fact. I said he claims to have proven. I've seen a little of his work and found interesting in a kinda silly way, but never tried to make any conclusions. By proven false, what exactly do you mean? He falsified results? His experiments weren't conducted under proper conditions? Did someone else grow pretty crystals while under a rage?

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Bisy, stop spreading false information. Dr. Emoto's claims have been proven false multiple times.

I had no intention of presenting that as a fact. I said he claims to have proven. I've seen a little of his work and found interesting in a kinda silly way, but never tried to make any conclusions. By proven false, what exactly do you mean? He falsified results? His experiments weren't conducted under proper conditions? Did someone else grow pretty crystals while under a rage?

They only thing this guy has done is shown how pseudoscience can teach us the correct way to use science. Dr. Emoto ideas show no credible hypothesis as too causation, no development of the idea, no fruitfulness in the concept, and, above all, no clear scientific demonstration. He was even offered 1,000,000 dollars to replicate this experiment and has declined. ( I'm assuming because more than a million uneducated people actually bought his book) His experiments are the same as a large group of people picking which field of flowers they like best. Both fields of flowers could be considered beautiful. Do you see where this is going Bisy? You could do this experiment regarding EVERYTHING! I suggest looking into chaos theory if you're wanting to develop an understanding of the geometry behind crystal formation.

 

[Bisy]

What you might not realize quite yet about me, and my opinions, is that they are nearly always open. Regarding mr. Emoto, (he wasnt a doctor either) i tend mostly to agree with you so far on everything EXCEPT your certainty regarding his expirements..
Let me back up a minute and point out the quote to which I was responding..it was much like the conversation we are having in which it appears to be between a scientific thinking person and a person who wants to believe consciousness exists in everything and can be influenced by individuals or collectively.
Now, moving on, is there not a theory that says something about particles only existing somewhere if there is someone there to observe them or something like that? I know there is, but I might not have it quite right.
Anyway, what Mr emoto is suggesting would also suggest that someone intending to debunk his experiment would in fact do so if his claims are true. Intention is what he claims to be the force driving his theory.

 

[benzyme]

After alot of extensive reading and experiments, it's most plausible that various crystal formations, wide variety in m.p. ranges, and color differences, may be attributed to various orientations because of partial rotatability about the alpha carbon...aka polymorphism. There is already a paper discussing this, with x-ray diffraction data.

Some orientations shield pyrrole from oxidation better than others, which is likely why some xtals stay white longer than others, which turn yellow and orange. Some claim the color difference is due to "fats", but lack any explanation for why they believe so.
I've seen the same color differences with tryptamine.

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

What you might not realize quite yet about me, and my opinions, is that they are nearly always open. Regarding mr. Emoto, (he wasnt a doctor either) i tend mostly to agree with you so far on everything EXCEPT your certainty regarding his expirements..
Let me back up a minute and point out the quote to which I was responding..it was much like the conversation we are having in which it appears to be between a scientific thinking person and a person who wants to believe consciousness exists in everything and can be influenced by individuals or collectively.
Now, moving on, is there not a theory that says something about particles only existing somewhere if there is someone there to observe them or something like that? I know there is, but I might not have it quite right.
Anyway, what Mr emoto is suggesting would also suggest that someone intending to debunk his experiment would in fact do so if his claims are true. Intention is what he claims to be the force driving his theory.

Lol okay Bisy. He definitely is a Doctor of alternative medicine, though he does not have a Phd. Which in my eyes, is a red flag. Have you even read this quack's book? It's literally filled with this fool spewing his "beliefs" and presenting them, without using the scientific method properly I might add, and passing them off as facts. This is how the new age movement has been making money for years. Ever heard the quote “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out”. I would say this is a prime example why teachers of science use this quote so often. I'd like to read what you have to say about the "spirit science" series found on youtube. I'm in need of a laugh this morning.

 

[Bisy]

I think maybe you're thinking im trying to argue in favor of this stuff, im certainly not, but there is absolutely a place in this world for everyone, even Mr. Emoto. I guess I should refer you back, again to the conversation I quoted when I offered mr. Emotos ideas for consideration.. there are some, who like/want/need to see the world scientifically, others mystically.. neither is wrong for that person. What is obvious to one person seems ridiculous to another, and vice versa. Like science and religion. Eventually they come together and both make sense. Mr. Emotos work gives many people just what they are looking for. I simply found his work interesting. When someone wants to believe something bad enough, it may as well be so. Nobody invents something that nobody wants... if you believe in what you're doing, and others buy your enthusiasm, thats fair play. If you capitalize on something you don't believe because others do. Thats foul...in which category would you place mr. Emoto?

 

[Madam]

Captain Future, I have gotten some different shapes as well. I will try to post some of my photos. I have a few hundred photos but here is a couple.

 

[CaptainFuture]

Hey everyone
I quickly jumped in to share my xtls thread and see that this thing is still alive
AMAZING stuff there @Madam

That shape on pic three is diamond like isn't it

I really should go back into extraction, just such a wonderful and amazing process.
So much to do, so little time, though. Growing shrooms never left me, but extracting DMT and Mescaline is somehow been a while now.
When the winter comes I will give it a go again, too. Def.

Thank you so much for sharing your pictures.

Have a lovely day everyone.
May everyone be blessed with eyes to see in these thrilling times.
Much Love, olli

 

[Explorer2023]

Have ya'll heard of orgonite? Would be intetesting to see if growing the crystal ontop of, surrounded by, in the vacinity of, or even within an orgonite chamber has any effect of the geometry of the crystals. The power/energy of orgonite is measured in bovis units which measures chi or life force energy.