Sometimes the shape of the crystal will depend on the speed in which the sample is heated up or cooled down as well as the volume. Many factors can effect crystallization and your experiments are showing how true that is.
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Geometry of DMT crystals
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Sometimes the shape of the crystal will depend on the speed in which the sample is heated up or cooled down as well as the volume. Many factors can effect crystallization and your experiments are showing how true that is.
CaptainFuture
Rising Star
The bowl with the fluffy Hexan stuff from yesterday (which were diamonds before):
Some freezer precipitated left overs from the 4,5grs. from 2 days ago. How pure they are...
A big one in a bowl I did from 1grs leftovers from the first 6,5grs. (there were slightly yellow and this big bro' is a bit yellow, too)
And the big bowl with the 3,9grs. from yesterdays Hexan try: (leftovers are still in the freezer)
Some really beautiful ones grew there. How precious are the finely branches at the edges of the bowl. Just gorgeous.
Some freezer precipitated left overs from the 4,5grs. from 2 days ago. How pure they are...
A big one in a bowl I did from 1grs leftovers from the first 6,5grs. (there were slightly yellow and this big bro' is a bit yellow, too)
And the big bowl with the 3,9grs. from yesterdays Hexan try: (leftovers are still in the freezer)
Some really beautiful ones grew there. How precious are the finely branches at the edges of the bowl. Just gorgeous.
Thanks for that crystal porn 
CaptainFuture
Rising Star
endlessness said:Thanks for that crystal porn
Pleasure 2 B @ your service.
At least some kind words here
I appreciate all of your efforts as well Captain. *salutes*
I am very interested in learning how to replicate these diamonds. They are truly beautiful.
I'm sorry if you've already posted this elsewhere, but what purification techniques do you use to get such clean spice?
This thread is highly inspirational to say the least.
I am very interested in learning how to replicate these diamonds. They are truly beautiful.
I'm sorry if you've already posted this elsewhere, but what purification techniques do you use to get such clean spice?
This thread is highly inspirational to say the least.
Melodic Catastrophe said:
Me too!!
I hope that didn't get lost in the shuffle...JBArk
CaptainFuture
Rising Star
Remember the big one from the large bowl?
I just dissolved some pure white flakes including the ones which already were diamonds.
About how I do it:
I just dissolve the DMT over and over again in Naphta (I have Petrolium ether which is known as VM+P Naphta).
You'll loose stuff, even if you won't go higher than 35degr. Celsius (which I do). I have already lost 1,5grs. but that includes the yellow shit which is out now. But surely every time also DMT is lost to oxidation. (and by swapping it from one bowl to another)
I just dissolved some pure white flakes including the ones which already were diamonds.
About how I do it:
I just dissolve the DMT over and over again in Naphta (I have Petrolium ether which is known as VM+P Naphta).
You'll loose stuff, even if you won't go higher than 35degr. Celsius (which I do). I have already lost 1,5grs. but that includes the yellow shit which is out now. But surely every time also DMT is lost to oxidation. (and by swapping it from one bowl to another)
Great explorations Captain Future. Keep up this project and keep us informed.
Too bad you haven't been able to recreate the Daimond shape. Perhaps it is worthwhile to investigate Daimonds and how they are formed in that typical "daimond" shape from Coal. Maybe you get a greater insight in why, under what conditions form crystalstructures of different shapes and then maybe you could find a way to recreate the shape over and over again.
An important Side note:
@ all participating in this discussion:
Will you nay-sayers relax for discussion's sake? I'm getting so tired of all the nay-saying.
I do not hate them as persons, but I can no longer keep to myself that I am frustrated out of my skull with their respectless, offensive and rigid-minded behaviour.
Sorry I REALLY needed to vent that way. Yes we desperately need RATIONAL, SCEPTIC PEOPLE to provide factual information and to give balance to the more INTUITIVE, PHANTASMAGORIC people.
But we certainly do not need those Rational, sceptic folks to supress and ruin all Topics started by the more Phantasmagoric, Intuitive ones.
It's been annoying me more and more lately on the Nexus. I was so glad to see the decline of the Grammar police on Forums, WE DO NOT NEED A RATIONAL POLICE!
It's allmost like some of the more extreme "Rationalists"( Is that a word? It is now; Rational Fascist ) group together in an unconscious desire to Stamp out all imaginative and intuitive conversations/interactions. I've seen this on many Forums unfortunately. It seems some people on forums and, allthough in general they are intelligent, kind and polite people, whenever they encounter intuitive, dreamt up and non-factual Posts and Topics it somehow makes them TICK. Seems like this kind of discussion is intolerable to them and they unconsciously feel it is a threat they need
to fight and surpress.
Live and Let Live people. If you see an idea/concept that you find TOTALLY rediculous....Why bother wasting your energy and time by discussing it?
I only enter discussions with people and their ideas if I take them serious and do not take them to be a misguided fools.
If I perceive them to be misguided fools, I still respect them enough to let them be and not ruin their discussion with animosity dressed up as scepticism.
And I also take into consideration that it could very well be that they are on the right track, but that I just cannot follow their Logic. Or that they ARE indeed misguided,
but no less misguided than I myself am... So being misguided doesn't make you a fool: It makes you a curious being trying to gain a greater understanding of Life by exploring Hypothesises and Probabilities in the realm of the Unknown.
How about as good as all mayor scientific and technological inventions ( that greatly improved/changed our lives) were found by experimenting Hypothesises and Probabilities?
Leave this Topic alone if you cannot take it serious enough; It would be respectfull and kind towards the people who DO take this Topic seriously. Like me.
Too bad you haven't been able to recreate the Daimond shape. Perhaps it is worthwhile to investigate Daimonds and how they are formed in that typical "daimond" shape from Coal. Maybe you get a greater insight in why, under what conditions form crystalstructures of different shapes and then maybe you could find a way to recreate the shape over and over again.
An important Side note:
@ all participating in this discussion:
Will you nay-sayers relax for discussion's sake? I'm getting so tired of all the nay-saying.
I do not hate them as persons, but I can no longer keep to myself that I am frustrated out of my skull with their respectless, offensive and rigid-minded behaviour.
Sorry I REALLY needed to vent that way. Yes we desperately need RATIONAL, SCEPTIC PEOPLE to provide factual information and to give balance to the more INTUITIVE, PHANTASMAGORIC people.
But we certainly do not need those Rational, sceptic folks to supress and ruin all Topics started by the more Phantasmagoric, Intuitive ones.
It's been annoying me more and more lately on the Nexus. I was so glad to see the decline of the Grammar police on Forums, WE DO NOT NEED A RATIONAL POLICE!
It's allmost like some of the more extreme "Rationalists"( Is that a word? It is now; Rational Fascist
) group together in an unconscious desire to Stamp out all imaginative and intuitive conversations/interactions. I've seen this on many Forums unfortunately. It seems some people on forums and, allthough in general they are intelligent, kind and polite people, whenever they encounter intuitive, dreamt up and non-factual Posts and Topics it somehow makes them TICK. Seems like this kind of discussion is intolerable to them and they unconsciously feel it is a threat they needto fight and surpress.
Live and Let Live people. If you see an idea/concept that you find TOTALLY rediculous....Why bother wasting your energy and time by discussing it?
I only enter discussions with people and their ideas if I take them serious and do not take them to be a misguided fools.
If I perceive them to be misguided fools, I still respect them enough to let them be and not ruin their discussion with animosity dressed up as scepticism.
And I also take into consideration that it could very well be that they are on the right track, but that I just cannot follow their Logic. Or that they ARE indeed misguided,
but no less misguided than I myself am... So being misguided doesn't make you a fool: It makes you a curious being trying to gain a greater understanding of Life by exploring Hypothesises and Probabilities in the realm of the Unknown.
How about as good as all mayor scientific and technological inventions ( that greatly improved/changed our lives) were found by experimenting Hypothesises and Probabilities?
Leave this Topic alone if you cannot take it serious enough; It would be respectfull and kind towards the people who DO take this Topic seriously. Like me.
SKA said:Great explorations Captain Future. Keep up this project and keep us informed.
Too bad you haven't been able to recreate the Daimond shape. Perhaps it is worthwhile to investigate Daimonds and how they are formed in that typical "daimond" shape from Coal. Maybe you get a greater insight in why, under what conditions form crystalstructures of different shapes and then maybe you could find a way to recreate the shape over and over again.
An important Side note:
@ all participating in this discussion:
Will you nay-sayers relax for discussion's sake? I'm getting so tired of all the nay-saying.
I do not hate them as persons, but I can no longer keep to myself that I am frustrated out of my skull with their respectless, offensive and rigid-minded behaviour.
Sorry I REALLY needed to vent that way. Yes we desperately need RATIONAL, SCEPTIC PEOPLE to provide factual information and to give balance to the more INTUITIVE, PHANTASMAGORIC people.
But we certainly do not need those Rational, sceptic folks to supress and ruin all Topics started by the more Phantasmagoric, Intuitive ones.
It's been annoying me more and more lately on the Nexus. I was so glad to see the decline of the Grammar police on Forums, WE DO NOT NEED A RATIONAL POLICE!
It's allmost like some of the more extreme "Rationalists"( Is that a word? It is now; Rational Fascist
to fight and surpress.
Live and Let Live people. If you see an idea/concept that you find TOTALLY rediculous....Why bother wasting your energy and time by discussing it?
I only enter discussions with people and their ideas if I take them serious and do not take them to be a misguided fools.
If I perceive them to be misguided fools, I still respect them enough to let them be and not ruin their discussion with animosity dressed up as scepticism.
And I also take into consideration that it could very well be that they are on the right track, but that I just cannot follow their Logic. Or that they ARE indeed misguided,
but no less misguided than I myself am... So being misguided doesn't make you a fool: It makes you a curious being trying to gain a greater understanding of Life by exploring Hypothesises and Probabilities in the realm of the Unknown.
How about as good as all mayor scientific and technological inventions ( that greatly improved/changed our lives) were found by experimenting Hypothesises and Probabilities?
Leave this Topic alone if you cannot take it serious enough; It would be respectfull and kind towards the people who DO take this Topic seriously. Like me.
I am assuming this is addressed at me. Please kindly read my posts, including the last one above, and see if you still find them disrespectful and naysaying. I think you'll find, with a clearer head and a full read, that maybe you are over-reacting. I have gone out of my way to express my enthousiasm about these crystals and about Captain future's work, but had a few points I thought needed addressing and was engaging in a healthy two way debate. If I offended, i apologize, but i cannot pretend to understand how, in the spirit of intellectual debate, they could offend... (with maybe the exception of my rant about homeopathy, which, in retrospect, may have been misplaced and i will further apologize if it smooths things over for you.)
And I really hope you don't share these sentiments, captain Future and rising spirit, because I was pretty sure we had addressed this and moved on. If not, my further apologies.
And to SKA, refering to me as a "rational faschist", and asserting that I took these fine fellows as "misguided fools" and that I am offensive and rigid minded is presumptuous and really WAY WAY out of line, and I frankly do not appreciate the resorting to name calling. In your case, I have to say, it strikes me as viciously hypocritical, and out of spirit with this thread, the nexus and the discussion at hand.
For the record, I do take this topic seriously. Or I would not have contributed.
JBArk
SKA:
This is the advanced chemistry section. So if someone is going to post hypothesis about why dmt crystal form may effect the potency of the drug people should comment on it. Especially if it makes no sense chemically. The purpose is not to shut down peoples views. The purpose is to critically analyze peoples statements so everyone can learn.
If you can't handle criticism then leave or grow up. Edit: I meant leave discussion not site.
This is the advanced chemistry section. So if someone is going to post hypothesis about why dmt crystal form may effect the potency of the drug people should comment on it. Especially if it makes no sense chemically. The purpose is not to shut down peoples views. The purpose is to critically analyze peoples statements so everyone can learn.
If you can't handle criticism then leave or grow up. Edit: I meant leave discussion not site.
Exactly.burnt said:
This is indeed the advanced chemistry section, and nothing like this matches this thread. I totally applaud those crystal formations but I'd like to see less empiricism, more reproducibility on the results and less talk about "energies" and such. So far, this thread is more suited to the Mystic/esoteric section.
CaptainFuture
Rising Star
SKA said:
I am still working on it. Did a new lime ex to maybe see if I can grow diamond crystals from that.
But still have some bowls sitting filled which were not saturated, cause I thought maybe they need more time to grow. The Naphta is still not evaporated in those.
Maybe there will be some results later the day.
There will be no more talk about "energies" from my side (it was only meant to be a side note).
And Crystal growing is a topic for the advanced chemistry section in my point of view.
Agreed. Crystal growing is a very appropriate topic for this part of the forum. I didn't want to drag the discussion into esoteric stuff.
burnt said:
Well if that is so, then can't this Topic just be moved to the Hyperspace Tavern?
All I want to say is that there is no need for as much animosity and resistance.
The atmosphere on this forum is being poisoned this way and it doesn't make conversations very sensible or enjoyable.
Feel free to start a thread in that section with the "do crystal shapes affect the trip" question. I think captainfuture wants to maintain this thread here and focus on crystal growing. If he preffers to move, just tell me and its done.
In any case SKA the orientation of this forum is generally pretty down-to-earth and we try to think critically about things, not fall into excessive speculations. Which of course doesnt mean we cant speculate and think broadly, but do expect that there will be feedback from people who give a different perspective to that speculation. Dont take it as an attack, rather use it as an opportunity to help thinking critically testing your arguments, learning more about other perspectives.
As long as its done with respect and in the right attitude of the community, all disagreement is welcome. If someone responds to you in a way you find its disrespectful please quote the specific part, ask for clarification and explain calmly why you feel its wrong. While we are all human and can make mistakes, people here are usually pretty reasonable and open to concede to other's arguments/requests. But for that to happen it takes those that are bothered to be specific and attempt to solve issues by calm communication, and to not feel offended/threatened by differing points of views if they are put forward reasonably.
In any case SKA the orientation of this forum is generally pretty down-to-earth and we try to think critically about things, not fall into excessive speculations. Which of course doesnt mean we cant speculate and think broadly, but do expect that there will be feedback from people who give a different perspective to that speculation. Dont take it as an attack, rather use it as an opportunity to help thinking critically testing your arguments, learning more about other perspectives.
As long as its done with respect and in the right attitude of the community, all disagreement is welcome. If someone responds to you in a way you find its disrespectful please quote the specific part, ask for clarification and explain calmly why you feel its wrong. While we are all human and can make mistakes, people here are usually pretty reasonable and open to concede to other's arguments/requests. But for that to happen it takes those that are bothered to be specific and attempt to solve issues by calm communication, and to not feel offended/threatened by differing points of views if they are put forward reasonably.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Chiming in a bit late here...
Fascinating stuff, Captain Future and everyone! Hopefully this will inspire me into an attempt to grow some "diamond" crystals. Shame about the rational scepticism sidetracking. reality is a function of belief, and this is something experienced personally. However, this IS the advanced chemistry (but notably, also the ENHANCED chemistry, whatever that may be...) forum so some element of reproducibility is required.
Can you recall the EXACT conditions of the experiment that led to the formation of the diamond crystals? In as much detail as possible, e.g. day and time of day started, condition of starting material, temperature, humidity, mindset, concurrent meditational practice, what you had for evening meal etc. etc. (if you get the general picture) And, perhaps importantly, did you save any of the "diamonds" to use as seed crystals?
Even in the chemistry laboratory routine reactions sometimes don't go as expected for occasionally unknown and unfathomable reasons (at least from the perspective of the chemist concerned...) We only need to look at the crystallisation of water to see the infinite possibilities in terms of environmental - and cosmic - factors. By way of personal experiential example, at the time of last year's Mars perigee there was a heavy hoar frost in my locale, producing numerous extremely well-formed, elongated, hexagonal prismatic ice crystals the like of which I have not seen before nor since.
Now, scientifically, it is an entirely untestable hypothesis that the proximity or position of a planet could have any effect on a natural phenomenon such as this, not least because of problems of repeatability (anyone up for winding back the courses of the planets, or time itself??) as well as my lack of systematic studies of hoar frost. But artistically and intuitively, it was highly appealing and added poetry, magic and beauty to my life. There is a place for rational scepticism, but not in criticising matters of the individual's qualitative experience of their personal relationship with the cosmos...
Maybe the diamonds refuse to form now because of the doubting vibes of the sceptics (tongue only partly in cheek there
)
And to all users of hexane out there, please be aware of its neurotoxicity. Avoid breathing its vapour especially for prolonged periods, even at low concentrations. Symptoms of peripheral neuropathy include tingling of extremities, muscular cramping and incoordination. If this has already started to occur, B vitamin supplementation may assist recovery.
Pedantic diversion: "In order to affect the effect, I effected an affect - I was affective, and it was effective." Sometimes this distinction is important - Burnt and many others...
Fascinating stuff, Captain Future and everyone! Hopefully this will inspire me into an attempt to grow some "diamond" crystals. Shame about the rational scepticism sidetracking. reality is a function of belief, and this is something experienced personally. However, this IS the advanced chemistry (but notably, also the ENHANCED chemistry, whatever that may be...) forum so some element of reproducibility is required.
Can you recall the EXACT conditions of the experiment that led to the formation of the diamond crystals? In as much detail as possible, e.g. day and time of day started, condition of starting material, temperature, humidity, mindset, concurrent meditational practice, what you had for evening meal etc. etc. (if you get the general picture
) And, perhaps importantly, did you save any of the "diamonds" to use as seed crystals?Even in the chemistry laboratory routine reactions sometimes don't go as expected for occasionally unknown and unfathomable reasons (at least from the perspective of the chemist concerned...) We only need to look at the crystallisation of water to see the infinite possibilities in terms of environmental - and cosmic - factors. By way of personal experiential example, at the time of last year's Mars perigee there was a heavy hoar frost in my locale, producing numerous extremely well-formed, elongated, hexagonal prismatic ice crystals the like of which I have not seen before nor since.
Now, scientifically, it is an entirely untestable hypothesis that the proximity or position of a planet could have any effect on a natural phenomenon such as this, not least because of problems of repeatability (anyone up for winding back the courses of the planets, or time itself??
) as well as my lack of systematic studies of hoar frost. But artistically and intuitively, it was highly appealing and added poetry, magic and beauty to my life. There is a place for rational scepticism, but not in criticising matters of the individual's qualitative experience of their personal relationship with the cosmos...Maybe the diamonds refuse to form now because of the doubting vibes of the sceptics (tongue only partly in cheek there
)And to all users of hexane out there, please be aware of its neurotoxicity. Avoid breathing its vapour especially for prolonged periods, even at low concentrations. Symptoms of peripheral neuropathy include tingling of extremities, muscular cramping and incoordination. If this has already started to occur, B vitamin supplementation may assist recovery.
Pedantic diversion: "In order to affect the effect, I effected an affect - I was affective, and it was effective." Sometimes this distinction is important - Burnt and many others...
Yea I'm sure the crystals are offended...please :roll:
DoctorMantus
Hyperspace Architect/Doctor
Beautiful pics they really inspire, i am curious what would be the minimum amount of spice that you would need to get your quality of crystals?
CaptainFuture
Rising Star
burnt said:Yea I'm sure the crystals are offended...please :roll:
Cynicism doesn't help either...
I wasn't in the right mood to continue the thread.
For one reason I couldn't re-grow the diamonds. And the other due to the overall mood in this thread and on the Nexus overall.
I can't believe to find that lot of extreme "Ego- acting" behavior on a DMT forum. I mean, Dimethyltryptamin is so magic, there's simply nothing explainable about it, even if all those scientists try to do so. Its like a conversation between a Shipibo shaman and Rick Strassman. The one part only accepts scientific researched so called 'facts' and the other first sees the living spirit in all of it. And for me DMT is definitely far beyond thought driven understanding. In fact only without thoughts (Ego) there's a way to see the real meaning of DMT and therefore existence.
And I am sure this will bring on more from the usual suspects. But I really wanted to point that out. And I experienced a lot of that stuff during my 8 years of shroomery/mycotopia. The majority there is only interested to grow large amounts of easy to grow PFtek Cubes or Pans and then barely take enough to even get somewhere close to Ego-loss...
But since there are some interested people out there I will share further progress.
I am still doing re-crystallizations and new extractions. But the closest I could make it to diamonds are flat square blocks/pieces, which are beautiful, too. And have to be tested for anything besides what the chemistry should show.
I didn't shoot all of them, but here are a few pictures. Look at how the crystals formed a spiral in the big bowl.
