CaptainFuture said:
I mean, Dimethyltryptamin is so magic, there's simply nothing explainable about it, even if all those scientists try to do so. Its like a conversation between a Shipibo shaman and Rick Strassman. The one part only accepts scientific researched so called 'facts' and the other first sees the living spirit in all of it. And for me DMT is definitely far beyond thought driven understanding. In fact only without thoughts (Ego) there's a way to see the real meaning of DMT and therefore existence.
Hi CaptainFuture,
Thank you for returning to this thread with such magnificent eye candy!!! You are a genius in the ways of
crystalline art. I respect your convictions and honor your spiritual connection to these lovely gems. While I believe you do have every right to express your most personal beliefs about the 'magical' nature of these complex crystallographic DMT geometries, I have begun to see both sides of this clash in polarized ideologies.
Let's consider, for the sake of community harmony, that any further dialog keep the exchanges within the parameters of clinical objectivity (held in such high esteem within the
Advanced/Enhanced Chemistry section)? Sure, we all know that we call DMT the
Spirit Molecule for a reason. It is not named the
Science Molecule, after all... so it's only natural to introduce our spiritual beliefs, as we have experienced them firsthand, as a reality more real than
anything which we have ever thought was even possible! Many of us have been to this indivisible field of light? We can discuss this topic to our hearts delight. We have forums for these realizations and inspirations, so let's use them wisely, shall we?
Shouldn't we express what we have seen as the
Universal Truth? Of course we should compare notes but... perhaps another area would offer more chance to broaden the discussion, without causing
the predictable clash of wills (egos), which we have seen on this thread. I bear my responsibility in the polarity and I implore you all to reconsider where you speak, for it is important collectively. My thoughts are valuable, as are yours. We can have a fascinating time with parallel discussions, simultaneously, in a couple forum areas. Now that would be awesome!
That being said, if we have no boundaries with the exchange of our ideas, it becomes confusing for outsiders and potential new members to successfully navigate to the areas they are most interested in, and be conducted in the manner in which they are accustomed. So maybe we "spiritual people" should be more inspired to leave a brief comment with a link to an alternate thread, in such a specific forum as this one? You know, say I post a comment and voice my thoughts, "Well my opinion is based on my personal transcendental realization, so if you would be interested on my spin on things, this is the link to the thread, in another area of the Nexus." :idea:
Not a surrender of the soulful folks to the logicians, rather, to harmonize for the greater good of this online community.
Jbark and
endlessness made me realize that when we cross boundaries into specified discussion forums, we impact the greater community in ways we may not be aware of. You see, in our collective efforts to generate a positive, respectable, informative platform to present the truth about the
Spirit Molecule, we need to understand how there are more appropriate forums for these departures of 'Cosmic Consciousness'. None of these ideas are being forbidden in such spiritual or esoteric sections, so why not take advantage of these specified forum regions? It would save us all a lot of valuable time and avoid unnecessary controversy.
Spontaneity is a beautiful thing, yet when I have enthusiastically placed my spontaneous comments in the inappropriate areas, I have done an injustice to the credibility of that forum (without even knowing it). Now, I can see how this could possibly impact the work of thousands of devoted scientific technicians and sincere researchers. I really don't have a right to influence how the world views the topics which are relegated to methodical rationality and pragmatic scientific procedure. So, requiring a more scholastic presentation in this forum on the Nexus, I would elicit more co-operation to direct our commentary to the procedural, rather than the inspirational? If I speak my heart in the forums which welcome such dialog, I have done something well and kept the greater harmony in mind and in heart.
Let's face it, not a single person in this Nexian family is a hard-hearted, soulless, materialistic human being. There are a vast number of cold-hearted, antagonistic 'scientists' out in the real world, who would lock us all up if they had half a chance. Right? We don't want to give them any more reasons to denounce the intelligence and integrity of our scientifically-inclined Nexian brothers and sisters. In fact, when we do so, it fuels the fire which results in more dismissive condemnation of this
Spirit Molecule and all psychedelic entheogens, for that matter.
The specified divisions of these Nexian forums, even the very structure of this entire website, intentionally directs readers (many of them from outside this community) to serious conversations which they are naturally drawn to, by way of personal proclivity and natural characteristic. It only makes sense to keep the big picture in mind, even as we aspire to share what is our own subjective revelation. For the sake of the greater community good, I plead that we all remember that we have more than enough room to voice our ideas, experiences and hypothesis'... we just need to place them accordingly.
Why stay in specified boundaries? Doesn't this limit my freedom of speech? Who should be so bold as to dictate the placement of our opinions? I have begun to see the wisdom of the format in place. Let me suggest that this is not a casual social gathering or a party at someone's home. What we say and do is watched my thousands of eyes. It's fine to have your beliefs and it is the right of any living person to express their freedom of speech. But there is an old colloquialism that applies to this thread,
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
My point? Placement is actually important and we do need to think first before we jump into a discussion which may draw the attention of minds which
may not be remotely objective and may just be looking for any excuse to direct negativity our way, collectively. None of us has the right to do so, without considering the impact it may have on the reputation of the Nexus, as a whole.
I have discovered ways to speak my heartfelt subjective spiritual experiences and have had nothing but loving support, when I do so in the appropriate forums. We have a lot of ground to choose from in the Nexus and it's easy to start a new thread and link it to an existing one. So, I implore the Spirit Dancers and Wounded Healers to direct their deepest beliefs and cherished, direct spiritual experiences of the Divine Being, to the receptive areas within the various sub-forums within the Nexus. Come on guys, the
Blue Meanies are looking to stop everything we are working to achieve, so if we can't get along amongst ourselves... we ain't got a chance against
The Man.
BTW, come on over and join into my recent discussion in the
Mystic/ esoteric forum:
There is absolutely no reason that
CaptainFuture shouldn't make a parallel thread in this section and open the door for other Nexians to freely share of their experiences with alternate crystallographic geometries. I myself, have a story to share about my experience with a flawless tabular DMT crystal of exceptional crystallographic geometry. I'd be more than happy to discuss my impressions of this gorgeously faceted DMT crystal, within the folds of the Spirituality forum. What I received form vaporizing this crystal was nothing less that transcendental. :shock:
Is there a connection between the geometry of the DMT crystal and the transcendental content and potency of our spiritual experiences?
What do you think
CaptainFuture? Certainly, we can take this discussion to a very Sacred Ground and open the door for many other sympathetic souls to share their own findings about these amazing crystals.
Richard Feynman said:
"Poets say science takes away from the beauty of the stars - mere gobs of gas atoms. I too can see the stars on a desert night, and feel them. But do I see less or more?...What is the pattern, or the meaning, or the why? It does not do harm to the mystery to know a little about it. For far more marvelous is the truth than any artists of the past imagined it." 1963
What he said. :d
jbark said:
The atmosphere here has been strained for a while on these points. That is why a Mystic/esoteric subforum was added, as well another dedicated specifically to science. I for one adore these debates; i am a very spiritual person (read my trip reports or many of my 1300 + posts if you find that hard to believe), and am trying to reconcile my cartesian upbringing with a blossoming sense of self, the universe and "spirit", if you will.
Please swing over and speak you mind freely. Remember, any vantage point is most welcome and we learn about ourselves when we listen to another. Even atheists and agnostics have mind-blowing experiences which go beyond their definitions of the known and the conceivable. I believe when we
communicate, despite variances in subjectivity and semantically differentiated modes of expression, we share a greater horizon line, collectively.
Now, back to the exciting and provocative research of producing these fascinating crystal geometries!
IMHO, we should all stand up from our computers and give
CaptainFuture a standing ovation for his beautiful extracted DMT crystals. They are lovely and mouth-watering delights, a wonder to behold! Kudos to
El Capitano for his gifted artistry and adherence to his succinct methodology. I am thrilled to anticipate his next batch of sparkling white 'diamonds'!
Overall, our collective understanding benefits each of us, as a whole society of psychonauts. Compromise is the sign of an advanced culture. We are, if nothing else, most decidedly an advanced cultural phenomenon. A light in the forest, so to speak? In light of this noble characteristic, shall we say our peace in the forum which it will most be well received and more thoughtfully responded to? Just my 2 cents, guys, and with all due respect to all of you fine people. Arrivederci.
Peace, love & light