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I'm relatively new to isoxazole-containing species of mushrooms—wanted to share what I've recently discovered, and will continue to add to this post as I explore these magical fungi.

Prior experiences with Amanita muscaria var. guessowii involved ID confirmation from a trustworthy source. Effects produced by caps boiled in neutral water included a sense of great understanding, followed by forgetting everything mere moments later.

After ~10 years of foraging, I finally worked up the courage to properly identify some Amanita muscaria var. guessowii without assistance. All were growing near a small pond, some under Smilax vines, and one that was not too far from a delicious cluster of young maitake (first and second images). These were large caps.

The guide that I followed was for preparing an alcohol tincture, and its author was claiming something like 70-90% of ibotenic acid would be converted once sufficiently heated. I dehydrated the caps at 150F for many hours (4-6)—so as to prevent sweating at higher temperatures—and then heated them in the oven at 80C (176F) for an hour. The idea was that this high temperature burst would lead to a reasonable increase in muscimol. I then powdered all my material (32.4g) before adding 324ml of 50% ethanol (ibotenic acid and muscimol are water-soluble). The tincture was filtered after ~14 days, leaving a reddish liquid with an aroma reminiscent of coffee or chocolate (third image). I added a little 99% ethanol to wash the thick layer of tan sludge that settled on my qualitative filter paper.

I naively began titrating before bed in order to see how sleep might be impacted. Every single night was uncomfortable and restless. Noticeable effects gave the impression of being poisoned during brief moments after waking; something was very wrong.

Folks online recommended heating at a pH of ~2.5, because that theoretically leads to better conversion. An old patent is often cited to back this assertion. There is little to no information about shelf life after doing so. I hesitantly proceeded to heat 10ml citric acid solution to 80C (rough calculations were performed to guarantee a pH below three). Drops of tincture instantly transformed from red to yellow. This solution was kept heated for three hours, which is common practice when making tea. The ~30ml of tincture reduced back to ~20ml—color remained the same shade of yellow. I suddenly remembered Hamilton Morris saying that ibotenic acid is partially responsible for red pigmentation in the cap (S2.E7 "A Fungal Fairy Tale"). How might this relate to conversion?

The new formulation—now preserved by citric acid—has profoundly improved effects on both mood and sleep. The qualities are difficult to describe without venturing into a fantastical lexicon.

Excited to take this further in the near future.
 

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Prior experiences with Amanita muscaria var. guessowii involved ID confirmation from a trustworthy source.
I was thinking to myself "what does he mean? It's the easiest to identify mushroom possible", and then I saw the pictures. I didn't know about that variety, interesting! Is it supposed to be different in effects from normal A. muscaria?
 
I was thinking to myself "what does he mean? It's the easiest to identify mushroom possible", and then I saw the pictures. I didn't know about that variety, interesting! Is it supposed to be different in effects from normal A. muscaria?
Check out Amanita chrysoblema—I wouldn’t dare try to identify that one.

I’m not sure how they all differ in terms of active compounds. Amanita pantherina is supposedly very unique, though I’m only basing that off of anecdotal reports.
 
I'm dipping my toes a bit more in amanita this year. So far eating small pieces of fresh cap has interestingly worked very well for me. Obviously it's an ibotenic acid type experience, but I have no nausea or confusion, to the contrary I have very lucid "Mario" empowerment and connection. Eating dried caps or drinking a boiled tea of dried caps so far always gave me nausea and chaotic confusion. I know it's s the exact reverse of what's supposed to happen with fresh vs dry or tea of dry. Go figure...
 
This confirms my information: decarbing should be done by boiling in acidic water, dry heating is not enough.
Cannot agree more. I'll eventually post a video of dripping my extract into heated citric acid solution. Watching the red pigmentation vanish was enough to convince me, though it also slowly produced bubbles—ibotenic acid releases CO2 during decarboxylation.

To clarify for some readers: muscimol and ibotenic acid are likely white when pure, which means the visual transformation could be independent of conversion. Small bubbles formed over three hours, so it's still a good idea to maintain 80C for that full duration. Filtration will remove coagulated lipids that are pulled into the alcohol and become denatured by heat and acidity (or perhaps the alcohol evaporates and leaves them behind).
 
...non-converted ibotenic acid could have interesting effects too.
Ibotenic acid is not enjoyable in my opinion. The best comparisons I can think of are high doses of either acetylcholinesterase inhibitors or varenicline (don't ask). I felt irritable, overstimulated, and mildly poisoned.

Btw. colour change could be just reaction to pH level, some of plant colours react that way and are useful as pH indicators.
Really good point—that'll be a perfect place to start in terms of researching perceptible transformations.

Important harm reduction recommendation for anyone considering Amanita use:
I immediately started taking the acidic tincture nightly; the feeling was nice, and I've ultimately been trying to figure out how it might impact rest while experiencing bouts of mania. While the tincture initially allowed me to sleep soundly—and felt incredible—noticeable effects subsided by the fourth dose, likely a result of tolerance. Lethargy also began creeping up on me each morning. More importantly, on the eighth night I started experiencing extreme frustration and tension before it was time to redose. Not once did I think to research dependence. Perhaps abusing GABA receptor agonists is not such a good idea. I've rarely suffered from symptoms of withdrawal when it comes to commonly abused substances—and have an unusual tolerance to ill effects after heavy opioid use—but I can't remember the last time I've felt so uncontrollably agitated at nothing in particular. It was like being a lion in a cage. Symptoms seemed to build up throughout the day, and peak discomfort lasted for ~3 hours.
 
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Last year I made a tincture from dried amanita caps for topical use only. I read that it could be a good remedy for the back pain and arthritis my mum suffers from. Long story short, it worked wonders. It's not a real painkiller; instead, it somehow attenuates the pain signal and makes it bearable. My mum was very glad at first, and we started using the tincture a few times a week. Our problems started less than a month later. It seems that even with topical absorption, effects accumulate in the body and lead to issues. The biggest ones were hand tremors and memory problems. Basically, this medicine aged my mum about 10 years in a few weeks. I started to get scared of how rapidly her health kept deteriorating. That autumn, I was working with chacruna and it scolded me in one session, showing that I was basically poisoning my mum. We stopped using amanita, and over a few weeks, all the side effects disappeared. She even got better, clearer in the head, and with fewer tremors in her hands, which had been an issue even before the amanita.

The dose makes the medicine! That's very true about this mushroom. I'd put it in the same category as tobacco and datura. All of these plants are poisons, yet medicinal in proper doses.

Be careful and Stay safe 🙏
 
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