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Harmine and Harmaline Separation - My Photo Tek - Telepathine Tek
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smokeydaze
Dragunov Mylshka Teapot
Very very impressive, good work to all involved!!
The UV pictures of the harmalas are the most stunning ones SWIM has seen!
excellent work phlux.. I must say I appreciated ever since you started posting pictures of SWIY's purpouses.
Great pictures.. might I ask what equip/lens ?
thank you
Great pictures.. might I ask what equip/lens ?
thank you
hehe the pictures were taken with a samsung 10.2megapixel camera but i had to shrink em down to 800x600 for this tek.
i love posting pictures of this kinda thing - heh
next -(should have been first) is a nice full manske pictoral - almost done.
i love posting pictures of this kinda thing - heh
next -(should have been first) is a nice full manske pictoral - almost done.
ibeing897
Rising Star
When adding the sodium carbonate, is there a way to do it without a ph reading, I mean, can you do it a drop at a time until the harmine precips, can you observe the precip as it as it happens or do you have to wait? the doc says wait but surely then you cant do it drop wise... sorry just wondering. This is obviously easy to test for myself but I hate waste
hrmmm well - first time ever - swim kept some lab notes.
500mg harmala alkys disoloved in 28ml water + 6ml vinegar made the ph 4.74
40 drops of very potent sodium carbonate water were added until the ph was 7.14 - might have been a bit over 7.14 because on collection swim noticed the ph was a tad higher - high enough to precip harmine but not harmaline.
for the harmaline just bomb the ph up after separation.
500mg harmala alkys disoloved in 28ml water + 6ml vinegar made the ph 4.74
40 drops of very potent sodium carbonate water were added until the ph was 7.14 - might have been a bit over 7.14 because on collection swim noticed the ph was a tad higher - high enough to precip harmine but not harmaline.
for the harmaline just bomb the ph up after separation.
kemist
John
Sorry haven`t read tek cos don`t wanna download any zip files, can you copy/paste (just the text bits) on the board into this thread please ?
DON`T think that making solution of Na2CO3 or even NAHCO3 is necessary.
Both not dissolving well in water so what ILPT does is:
Heat the acidic or neutral solution of harmalas salt up to 80-90 C and then start to add very slowly SOLID (finely powdered) carbonate or bicarbonate.
Precip. form in matter of seconds and settling down in matter of minutes
Those ain`t strong bases as NaOH is, so they wan`t overlap pH localy or dramaticly increase temperature localy like solid NaOH would.Therefore they wan`t spoil anything in the product.
It`s only benefical as one doesn`t rise ammount of total water in final solution. Especially with harmaline is wise, not to use too much water when freebasing, as harmaline is slightly soluble in water.
One can`t control pH until the solution cool down but pH control is not necessary if one have a sense for the freebasing.
ILPT used pH meter(papers) only once. Since there he just eyballing and it does work perfectly.
It`s like with cooking (baking). Good cook (baker) never weighing,just eyballing and it`s always fantastic. Just like my mum, lol.
Bless
DON`T think that making solution of Na2CO3 or even NAHCO3 is necessary.
Both not dissolving well in water so what ILPT does is:
Heat the acidic or neutral solution of harmalas salt up to 80-90 C and then start to add very slowly SOLID (finely powdered) carbonate or bicarbonate.
Precip. form in matter of seconds and settling down in matter of minutes
Those ain`t strong bases as NaOH is, so they wan`t overlap pH localy or dramaticly increase temperature localy like solid NaOH would.Therefore they wan`t spoil anything in the product.
It`s only benefical as one doesn`t rise ammount of total water in final solution. Especially with harmaline is wise, not to use too much water when freebasing, as harmaline is slightly soluble in water.
One can`t control pH until the solution cool down but pH control is not necessary if one have a sense for the freebasing.
ILPT used pH meter(papers) only once. Since there he just eyballing and it does work perfectly.
It`s like with cooking (baking). Good cook (baker) never weighing,just eyballing and it`s always fantastic. Just like my mum, lol.
Bless
yeah just add sodium BIcarbonate freely to precipitate harmine first, wait few minutes (or hours just in case), filter.. finish off by adding sodium carbonate freely, wait a while again and filter.. The pH will be good no need to worry
corridors of my cells
Rising Star
great job my friend.. thanks a lot ive been thinkin about this harmine extraction since sometime coz smoking with the machine can be harsh for lungs sometimes when the metal wool is not changed frequently. And i wanna go for oral administration. I havent read much about it yet since i was a bi lazy to read about it. But before i crystalize all my stuff i wanna prepare some pharmahuasca. anyone know good dmt/harmine ratios for 70kgs body weight btw?
coz smoking with the machine can be harsh for lungs sometimes when the metal wool is not changed frequently. And i wanna go for oral administration. I havent read much about it yet since i was a bi lazy to read about it. But before i crystalize all my stuff i wanna prepare some pharmahuasca. anyone know good dmt/harmine ratios for 70kgs body weight btw?
Here ya go, kemist: Phlux's Telepathine Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki
No photos or markup, yet.
Excellent work, phlux! SWIM was thinking just thinking about syrian rue. He loves your syringe filtering method, by the way.
No photos or markup, yet.
Excellent work, phlux! SWIM was thinking just thinking about syrian rue. He loves your syringe filtering method, by the way.
see the reason sodium carbonate wasnt added directly is explained in my post with the manske proceedure - the solution got saturated before the ph was high enough to drop out the harmaline.
Also i just noticed something the other day - was stuffing around with some harmaline in da kishen - converting it between salt forms, deciding which one looks best... I placed 100mg harmaline hcl into some water then when it was disolved i added some acetone - immediatly the solution went cloudy then over a period of time - loads precipped.
Looks like just harmaline as it is white, harmine seems to have stayed disolved - this could be a potent purification step.
Also i just noticed something the other day - was stuffing around with some harmaline in da kishen - converting it between salt forms, deciding which one looks best... I placed 100mg harmaline hcl into some water then when it was disolved i added some acetone - immediatly the solution went cloudy then over a period of time - loads precipped.
Looks like just harmaline as it is white, harmine seems to have stayed disolved - this could be a potent purification step.
Very very interesting observation Phlux!!!!
I dont know the pH of acetone ,was the acetone you added pure or in a solution? Looking around the web ,although i cannot confirm the credibility of the source, i found in wikianswers that it is "usually around 6-7, a little acidic to neutral" so if thats true something else must be happening apart from a pH related percipitation (propably solubility issues?).
You could try two experiments one with pure harmine and acetone addition and one with pure harmaline to see how they behave. Also i wonder what the behaviour of THH would be in acetone.
Hmmmm has anyone tried dissolving a crude "Hasenfratz" ("Manske") product in acetone?
Good work Phlux! By the way, in case i missed it : you mentioned in this thread that you are making also a Manske pictorial? Did you do it?
I dont know the pH of acetone ,was the acetone you added pure or in a solution? Looking around the web ,although i cannot confirm the credibility of the source, i found in wikianswers that it is "usually around 6-7, a little acidic to neutral" so if thats true something else must be happening apart from a pH related percipitation (propably solubility issues?).
You could try two experiments one with pure harmine and acetone addition and one with pure harmaline to see how they behave. Also i wonder what the behaviour of THH would be in acetone.
Hmmmm has anyone tried dissolving a crude "Hasenfratz" ("Manske") product in acetone?
Good work Phlux! By the way, in case i missed it : you mentioned in this thread that you are making also a Manske pictorial? Did you do it?
amor_fati said:
It would seem that Traveler's picked up my slack on this, and it's essentially complete. And might I say, it looks beautiful on the wiki (thanks Traveler!)! Keep churning out the pictorials, Phlux! When I get time, I'll go back and see if we've gotten all of them thus far.
yep - here it is - Swims Peganum Harmala Extraction - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
after billions of clean up on some seeds from india, here's the nice clean stuff I got:
Harmine
and harmaline
Harmine
and harmaline