enlightenedone
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so. ive done DMT around 8-10 times now. changed my life. but no break through yet. what am i doing wrong? using a glass sherlock. 100mg will not get me there. i stay awake the whole time, i am never out.
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enlightenedone
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i tried from 25MG up 50, 75, etc. i have 6 screens and a liquid pad. here is an example of the spice
ThatDirtyHippy
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Really? I had my friend try 75 mg of my enhanced smoke (containing roughly 25mg of jimjam) and he broke through his first ses
eyes open, eyes closed, eye shade after last hit.. ive tried everythingYou'll need to describe exactly what you are doing with regards to technique, how long you're holding it in for etc for anyone to be able to help you.
If you've managed to have some good sub breakthrough experiences there's no reason you shouldn't be able to increase the dose and therefore effects.
There's also several threads here somewhere specfically about having trouble breaking through.
Woody
If you've managed to have some good sub breakthrough experiences there's no reason you shouldn't be able to increase the dose and therefore effects.
There's also several threads here somewhere specfically about having trouble breaking through.
Woody
enlightenedone
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ok ill give a bit of a small trip reports from start to finish. it is pretty profound for me so far. history. i lost my dad to a car wreck at 12, in 1988.. we had an argument before and i never said sorry or love you.etc.. depressed whole life etc.. these are all part of my trips so far.
- got vertigo and puked.. some nice visuals looking at my shower pattern
- i got this whole body sense of love, like the 10 most people you love n miss the most hug you at once. no real color changing visuals or anything, but. i sat up and started to meditate, and a bright light starting coming from my chest. the more i meditated the brighter it got. and if i looked down it went away. it was like a 6th sense for your peripheral vision. in the mirror i could see energy all through my face. and my shower wall was awesome again.
- i felt like something/someone was in room with me. no visuals. just a warm body sense. i kept getting the feeling someone was there.. then i felt something rub my cheek as in like ahh you got facial hair now eh.. so i just started to talk. i said if this is my dad or something else make sure he knows im sorry and that i love him so much.. etc etc.. im laying down in bed. i hear and feel tear drops hit my face, my eye lash, and my chest. and it took a sec and i almost yelled out .. are you crying on my chest!.. and it was then gone.. and i was back to normal.. during this.. i was totally in my mind .. i wasnt spaced out..
to this point i had yet to break through, but the tear drops changed my life. i really felt a calm. i was thinking until now it was that mentally about my dad that was keeping me from breaking through. so the next time. i meditated before. listened to some pineal gland waves. and i got a calm and i got happy and said.. my dads there he knows. im breaking through. so i smile. and im happy.. i take a 75mg hit, 3 hits taking in at the rate of about holding a playing card up with your mouth. for about 10-15secs piece and holding over 20-30. so. i didnt break through again.. i close my eyes. and i see an all white room. oh also this time was about 4 days before my birthday. so theres this all white room and a big white box, and it explodes open with all kinda banners and birthday stuff.. and i hear my dad say happy birthday. i felt something rub my head and the tear drops fell on me again. and im overwelmed in this bright white light and my body felt like it floated off my bed and all my hurts were gone. it was so great i opened my eyes..
i dont know WTF has been happening. but i was in my right mind in all this. i felt the tear drops.. and heard then hit my chest and pillow case..
so theres my trips so far.
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also during some i can see like seems like other worlds around my room, some colors and lots of diamond shapes n stuff
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i have had the sense of death. i came to the realization that death is like turning around, except your spirit/energy turns and your body stays.. the light is whats pulling you to turn.. your body is just a beacon for here.
- got vertigo and puked.. some nice visuals looking at my shower pattern
- i got this whole body sense of love, like the 10 most people you love n miss the most hug you at once. no real color changing visuals or anything, but. i sat up and started to meditate, and a bright light starting coming from my chest. the more i meditated the brighter it got. and if i looked down it went away. it was like a 6th sense for your peripheral vision. in the mirror i could see energy all through my face. and my shower wall was awesome again.
- i felt like something/someone was in room with me. no visuals. just a warm body sense. i kept getting the feeling someone was there.. then i felt something rub my cheek as in like ahh you got facial hair now eh.. so i just started to talk. i said if this is my dad or something else make sure he knows im sorry and that i love him so much.. etc etc.. im laying down in bed. i hear and feel tear drops hit my face, my eye lash, and my chest. and it took a sec and i almost yelled out .. are you crying on my chest!.. and it was then gone.. and i was back to normal.. during this.. i was totally in my mind .. i wasnt spaced out..
to this point i had yet to break through, but the tear drops changed my life. i really felt a calm. i was thinking until now it was that mentally about my dad that was keeping me from breaking through. so the next time. i meditated before. listened to some pineal gland waves. and i got a calm and i got happy and said.. my dads there he knows. im breaking through. so i smile. and im happy.. i take a 75mg hit, 3 hits taking in at the rate of about holding a playing card up with your mouth. for about 10-15secs piece and holding over 20-30. so. i didnt break through again.. i close my eyes. and i see an all white room. oh also this time was about 4 days before my birthday. so theres this all white room and a big white box, and it explodes open with all kinda banners and birthday stuff.. and i hear my dad say happy birthday. i felt something rub my head and the tear drops fell on me again. and im overwelmed in this bright white light and my body felt like it floated off my bed and all my hurts were gone. it was so great i opened my eyes..
i dont know WTF has been happening. but i was in my right mind in all this. i felt the tear drops.. and heard then hit my chest and pillow case..
so theres my trips so far.
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also during some i can see like seems like other worlds around my room, some colors and lots of diamond shapes n stuff
edit 2:
i have had the sense of death. i came to the realization that death is like turning around, except your spirit/energy turns and your body stays.. the light is whats pulling you to turn.. your body is just a beacon for here.
Firemetal420
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There is a thread under "first steps in hyperspace" called "attn, if your having a hard time breaking through read this" I believe... there should be alot of helpful information in there for you 
Just remember what many people on here have said, the molecule will give you what you need more than what you want. That being said, I had the same issue in the beginning and even now after probably about 80 journeys I have only had 5 or 6 truly "breakthrough" experiences. Personally though I believe that alot of people have expectations about what a breakthrough is and that imo is a big hindrance to fully letting go (which by the way was MY biggest problem in the beginning)
After I realized that my journeys were much more deep and rewarding.
I hope this helps
Just remember what many people on here have said, the molecule will give you what you need more than what you want. That being said, I had the same issue in the beginning and even now after probably about 80 journeys I have only had 5 or 6 truly "breakthrough" experiences. Personally though I believe that alot of people have expectations about what a breakthrough is and that imo is a big hindrance to fully letting go (which by the way was MY biggest problem in the beginning)
After I realized that my journeys were much more deep and rewarding.
I hope this helps
enlightenedone
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it does. i think i was close once. with my eyes closed i was visually seeing this spiraling tunnel in different colors and moving into different "rooms" etc. and i saw like a sun dial, and it was rapidly going around.. i opened my eyes to take another hit thinking this was it i was about to go.. but nothing was left in the pipe.. i took a big hit.. but nothing. i should have had another dose ready to drop in.
enlightenedone said:
I would advise against this. That is a massive dose and you may end up biting off way more than you can chew.
Practice makes perfect.
As for the MAOI, there are countless threads on it. Look at the changa stickies. The information is all here, you just have to search for it.
ThatDirtyHippy
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Smokig technique is definitely important. Enhancing some bud seemingly potentiated my spice, but I'm sure it's just vaporizing much better now vs being on a bed of herb
ThatDirtyHippy said:
Yes, indeed. This is a great way to achieve a breakthrough. Switching up smoking/vaping methods can sometimes make a world of a difference, IME.
I smoked spice for probably a month or so (or more, hard to recall) before accidentally breaking through the first time. I kept wondering what I was doing wrong... it seems about 90% of the time it boils down to technique. Of course, some people are "hardheads" when it comes to psychedelics and require a bit more than the average person to blast off. But that 200-300mg would be taking overkill to the next level even for a "hardhead."
Edit: It should also be noted that the term "breakthrough" is rather subjective to each individual user. A deeply profound and powerful experience is how I define "breakthrough" ...a lot of the time, I still have my wits about me during a breakthrough, I am just no longer present in this world for the most part. It can vary wildly from trip to trip. Sometimes I am so far gone that my entire reality has been replaced and there is no memory of this reality for the duration of the experience while other times I am still in my room as everything changes around me but I am still able to hold onto that sense of "self" ... All amazingly powerful, yet different in almost every journey.
Pile of cats
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From my experience there's a few factors that go into receiving the breakthrough experience which Mckenna described,
You have dose (which you've got far more than you need) I usually work with around 50mg of full spectrum infused onto caapi leaves.
You have the time it takes for you to administer the dose; if you get your 30mg or whatever in 1 hit spanning 10 - 20 seconds or so it will hit you much MUCH harder than 50mg in two hits, the times I've got a dose in me fast, I've barely been able to put down my bong before being taken away.
You have your set and setting, are you in a space where you can fully let go? or is there something which is taking some of your attention? do you feel cold or too warm? is there a lot of noise coming from outside your home? Maybe try journeying without music or with some nice ambient music just get something to help you focus.
Then there's your mental approach to it during the actual inhalation of the dose and while you wait for the onset, this part's a bit more difficult to explain and it took me 5 months of regular smoking before I really understood how to prepare myself mentally to stay focused but at the same time let go in every sense. empty your mind of thought and just observe without connotations. I used to always ask myself hmm, did I take enough? is this going anywhere? just a bunch of questions flooding my mind in regards to what was going on and this was also holding me back from going much deeper than I could have been. Eventually I was able to get farther from 25mg than I had been with 50mg previously just through mental techniques I'd picked up as I became more and more familiar with the experience.
Also for me, harmalas have been essential in learning to navigate the experience and to properly integrate experiences. Pure dmt is just a huge WHAT WAS THAT - Being blasted with incomprehensible alien language for me, it's almost like the harmalas help translate that language
Also I believe that the experience mirrors your life at this particular moment in time, if there's things you know you should have done or should be doing, it's probably good to get those out the way so you can let new things enter your mind. As I said before, it took me 5 months before I got there but on the way there, I received many lessons or insights which I had to apply before I could really move on to new experiences, If I continued trying to smoke after recieving a lesson, I'd often get this feeling of being ignored or shut out and it didn't matter how much I smoked I'd only end up with the same lock out experience, one time I ignored the lock out and ended up pushing my dose up to 100mg and recieved the most haunting experience of my life so be careful with your dosages!
Hope there's something in there that'll benefit you!
Every experience carries something valuable in my eyes, maybe there's a lot of preparation work to be done before you're fully ready / allowed to see the other side.
Oh and in Regards to the syrian rue extract, is it purified harmalas or just a tar from reduced rue tea?
You have dose (which you've got far more than you need) I usually work with around 50mg of full spectrum infused onto caapi leaves.
You have the time it takes for you to administer the dose; if you get your 30mg or whatever in 1 hit spanning 10 - 20 seconds or so it will hit you much MUCH harder than 50mg in two hits, the times I've got a dose in me fast, I've barely been able to put down my bong before being taken away.
You have your set and setting, are you in a space where you can fully let go? or is there something which is taking some of your attention? do you feel cold or too warm? is there a lot of noise coming from outside your home? Maybe try journeying without music or with some nice ambient music just get something to help you focus.
Then there's your mental approach to it during the actual inhalation of the dose and while you wait for the onset, this part's a bit more difficult to explain and it took me 5 months of regular smoking before I really understood how to prepare myself mentally to stay focused but at the same time let go in every sense. empty your mind of thought and just observe without connotations. I used to always ask myself hmm, did I take enough? is this going anywhere? just a bunch of questions flooding my mind in regards to what was going on and this was also holding me back from going much deeper than I could have been. Eventually I was able to get farther from 25mg than I had been with 50mg previously just through mental techniques I'd picked up as I became more and more familiar with the experience.
Also for me, harmalas have been essential in learning to navigate the experience and to properly integrate experiences. Pure dmt is just a huge WHAT WAS THAT - Being blasted with incomprehensible alien language for me, it's almost like the harmalas help translate that language
Also I believe that the experience mirrors your life at this particular moment in time, if there's things you know you should have done or should be doing, it's probably good to get those out the way so you can let new things enter your mind. As I said before, it took me 5 months before I got there but on the way there, I received many lessons or insights which I had to apply before I could really move on to new experiences, If I continued trying to smoke after recieving a lesson, I'd often get this feeling of being ignored or shut out and it didn't matter how much I smoked I'd only end up with the same lock out experience, one time I ignored the lock out and ended up pushing my dose up to 100mg and recieved the most haunting experience of my life so be careful with your dosages!
Hope there's something in there that'll benefit you!
Every experience carries something valuable in my eyes, maybe there's a lot of preparation work to be done before you're fully ready / allowed to see the other side.
Oh and in Regards to the syrian rue extract, is it purified harmalas or just a tar from reduced rue tea?
enlightenedone
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this Amazon.com
heres a few more macros
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a break through depends on dose size per body weight correct? if thats SWIM's weight should have to have around 72MG
heres a few more macros
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a break through depends on dose size per body weight correct? if thats SWIM's weight should have to have around 72MG
enlightenedone said:
That sounds like sub breakthroughs, which means you are getting closer. :thumb_up:
If you start blacking out or going truly unconscious, that is the tell tale sign of too high of a dose. DMT breakthroughs often flutter away almost as soon as you come back to this reality, like a dream, but if you are taking hits and then blacking out completely (like being blackout drunk) only to wake up and be like, "huh, I don't recall anything at all...?" then your dose is generally way too high, IME. That is likely to happen if you take a 200mg hit, that or you'll be "hyperslapped" so hard you may never want to go back.
When people say "unconscious" in relation to a breakthrough, it does appear that way to an outside observer, but while you may have no connection with this world, you will be deep inside another and it will appear to be very vivid and real. Often times it is so overwhelming and alien that it is quite hard to make sense of any of it, therefore making it harder to recall in general. So please be patient and take the time to really work with the molecule. It will happen for you, in time.
I prefer to extract my own syrian rue. It is a rewarding process and is not difficult. Also, Pile of Cats had a lot of good advice in the post above. This is as far as we can take you. You'll have to research the rest and keep on keepin on to get where you want to be. As I said before, there are tons of threads very similar to this one, with people being slightly frustrated because they can't seem to breakthrough. It is almost like a rite of passage, I believe you will get there. Good luck.
