Help With Rue Preparation + Inhibitation Estimation

[dewish]

Hey
I got some Syrian Rue seeds, I want to use for pharmahuasca

What I did:
1. Ground up 25g of seeds
2. Triple simmer in acidic water (water + lemon juice - amount not measured)
3. Heavy filtering (used finer and finer strainers and mesh + gravity filtering)
4. made ice cubes from the resulting liquid so that each ice cube represents 1g of syrian rue

- Took 3g alone barely felt anything
- (different day) Took 4g alone felt slight mood lift, a little light headed and dizzy and mild nausea, 2 hours later tried to eat and threw up

Asked the AI about it and it said the symptoms for 4g show that I was inhibited

- Took 4g as part of pharmahuasca and it was very weak, barely did anything

Asked the AI about it and it said that I was likely not inhibited enough and that full inhibition should have visual tracers - suggesting I lost potency in my preparation

Questions:
1. How do you know you've reached inhibition? what are the best signs
2. What's the easiest fool-proof prep method (hopefully with minimal nausea)

 

[Sakkadelic]

1. How do you know you've reached inhibition? what are the best signs

By taking properly prepared 4g of syrian rue or the equivalent amount in harmala alkaloids. The effect of harmalas can be subtle for some and it's not so obvious to tell if one is fully inhibited. Tracers are more pronounced at higher dosage.

Your preparation and dose seem alright, but it's equally important the method of administration and dose of dmt. Give some more details, how did you consume the rue cubes, how did you prepare the dmt, how much you took and how long after the rue dose?

If your tea was concentrated during filtration then you might have had noticeable losses there and might need to compensate with an extra cube

 

[dewish]

By taking properly prepared 4g of syrian rue or the equivalent amount in harmala alkaloids. The effect of harmalas can be subtle for some and it's not so obvious to tell if one is fully inhibited. Tracers are more pronounced at higher dosage.

Your preparation and dose seem alright, but it's equally important the method of administration and dose of dmt. Give some more details, how did you consume the rue cubes, how did you prepare the dmt, how much you took and how long after the rue dose?

If your tea was concentrated during filtration then you might have had noticeable losses there and might need to compensate with an extra cube

I made lemon ginger tea and put the cubes in there with some honey - drank the entire cup not in one go but within a couple of minutes

40 minutes later I dissolved around 90mg freebase DMT into warm lemon juice, combined that with some OJ into a shot glass and took the shot
40 minutes later another 70mg DMT
had a very mild experience

 

[Sakkadelic]

Ime 40 mins is long, you can take the dmt 10-15 mins after the rue.

90 mg freebase is large dose, you're lucky it didn't work if this is your first time with ayahuasca.

I'd take an extra rue cube, reduce the dmt to less than 50 mg, and take it 10 mins after the rue.

 

[dewish]

Ime 40 mins is long, you can take the dmt 10-15 mins after the rue.

90 mg freebase is large dose, you're lucky it didn't work if this is your first time with ayahuasca.

I'd take an extra rue cube, reduce the dmt to less than 50 mg, and take it 10 mins after the rue.

I did ayahuasca once in a ceremony and it was too weak for me (my tolerance is quite high for all psychs)

I thought the MAOI is active for hours, does the 15 min vs 40 min thing matter so much to separate a strong and a weak experience like that?

 

[northape]

3. Heavy filtering (used finer and finer strainers and mesh + gravity filtering)

This step most likely reduced the potency of your tea. Why filter it so much? You're making tea just for easier and more seamless digestion.
Just cook your dose for 30min in 0.5L of water, filter the seeds, and reduce. It couldn't be easier. All these extra steps are just making it weaker.

I did ayahuasca once in a ceremony and it was too weak for me (my tolerance is quite high for all psychs)

Who knows what was cooked or how it was done? Usually, drinking a few doses of weak aya can still bring you into the medicine space.

I thought the MAOI is active for hours, does the 15 min vs 40 min thing matter so much to separate a strong and a weak experience like that?

Not really. That's why it's always better to work with rue alone for a while. You'll get answers from direct experience. I drink dmt plants after about 20-25min, and it works fine. Even redosing after 1.5h works for me. I'd rather look into the potency of your tea. With good maoi action, 15-40min would give you a strong journey.

 

[dewish]

This step most likely reduced the potency of your tea. Why filter it so much? You're making tea just for easier and more seamless digestion.
Just cook your dose for 30min in 0.5L of water, filter the seeds, and reduce. It couldn't be easier. All these extra steps are just making it weaker

Trying to avoid unnecessary nausea (i.e nausea from plant parts that aren't the alkaloids)

Is the method you're suggesting using full seeds? Because once I combine the ground up seeds with the tea it feels like filtering is a must

 

[northape]

Trying to avoid unnecessary nausea (i.e nausea from plant parts that aren't the alkaloids)

You don't get much nausea from plant parts. Nausea comes mostly from harmala alkaloids and heavily depends on your dose.

Is the method you're suggesting using full seeds? Because once I combine the ground up seeds with the tea it feels like filtering is a must

Just use a simple nylon mesh filter. It works fine for this purpose. Don't worry if a bit of powder gets through. You won't get nausea from it.

 

[Sakkadelic]

Or just a piece of coton cloth.