Hey Joe Rogan - Shut the F**K up!

[endlessness]

well me also nowadays, but when I was younger, I did take that acid without knowing much about it, and my life completely changed from that day on (for the better).

for sure its better to be informed but all im saying is that sometimes this doesnt happen, so all we can do is try to help. So if somebody comes here, it makes no difference for me if the person says he first heard about it from joe rogan, from his best friend or on the internet, all that matters is that this person is showing interest to learn about it, which is a good thing

 

[obliguhl]

if somebody comes here, it makes no difference for me if the person says he first heard about it from joe rogan, from his best friend or on the internet, all that matters is that this person is showing interest to learn about it, which is a good thing

I agree with you on that. I would also say that it's a good thing because this community is very helpful and can prevent stupid mistakes.

 

[idtravlr]

Endlessness - Yes, I completely agree and I certainly meant no disrespect to Bastard at all. In fact I very much respect the fact that he came onto this forum to learn more about this amazing triptamine. As you alluded to in your post, it shows a great amount of responsibility and diligence on Bastard's part.

Thanks for calling me out on that. I can only hope that all of JR's "turn-ons" seek further knowledge and understanding prior to consuming this powerful, ancient, and sacred substance.

I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack on Bastard. As I'm sure/hope that I have made perfectly clear, my issue is with JR and the carelessness of his delivery to the masses.

 

[endlessness]

and I agree with you that his carelessness is not a good thing and that there might be people that are just clueless and smoke it in a dangerous setting (like next to a tall window or cliff or whatever) and hurt themselves

so now that we all agree can we have a group hug already? hahaha

 

[ohayoco]

Perhaps the statement that dreaming is a DMT trip...? His statement of fact that we are all on DMT, every night, when we dream...? "Our brain releases massive amounts of DMT every night when we sleep", etc., etc., etc.

And from the nature of the DMT experience, I find this very hard to believe. I've never tried any of the nightshades, but from what I've heard about the 'realistic' hallucinations, rather than the artistic abstractness of aya and DMT, I'd sooner believe that these types of substances were closer to the dream process than DMT.

So what if there is a little DMT in our brains? If you smoke or ingest a little DMT, you don't start dreaming. My dreams don't have patterns or wild changing colours in. The two experiences are worlds apart.

 

[DMTripper]

and I agree with you that his carelessness is not a good thing and that there might be people that are just clueless and smoke it in a dangerous setting (like next to a tall window or cliff or whatever) and hurt themselves

so now that we all agree can we have a group hug already? hahaha

But how likely is it that someone that somehow found Joe Rogan's video on youtube then just walked out to the next corner and bought some DMT and just went straight home to smoke it from his bong without doing any research.
Just trying to find this stuff on the street is almost impossible for 99.999% of humanity. And who would go through all the trouble extracting his own spice just after hearing JR rant without researching DMT and it's effects? I think it's impossible. If you do research online about extraction you end up hearing a lot about the effects and more.

I think the worst thing is when people extract DMT just to sell and make money out of it. That's how uninformed people end up smoking DMT. And people asking questions here about the street value of DMT are fortunately shot down right away.

 

[obliguhl]

But how likely is it that someone that somehow found Joe Rogan's video on youtube then just walked out to the next corner and bought some DMT and just went straight home to smoke it from his bong without doing any research.

Yes, and this is were the responsibility of informed individuals should jump on stage.

 

[MalargueZiggy]

I don't think that the mass media is the way for the message about DMT to be spread. In fact, I would go as far as to say that if 'someone somewhere' with more power/sway than Rogan started advocating this and introducing it to the masses and selling it widely that would be a bad thing.

SWIM has had to work damn hard to provide himself with his DMT. It has taken him years of wanting it and several attempts to get it right. And all of the time in between his attempts he has been reading and thinking more about it. He enters into every experience knowing that his intentions are good, that he fully respects this chemical. And the chemical respects him back.

Imagine if it was widely available and some guy at a coke fuelled party decided it would be a good thing to do for bravado. Or someone else who had self-destructive tendencies decided to do it every day for 6 months (CF that guy who took several thousand pills over a similar period).

Some of my friends would say that there's an argument for tough love; i.e these irresponsible people need to be shocked, but I don't agree. Psychedelics should find their way to the right people. DMT is the perfect example of this.

Bringing it to the attention of the masses will only bring heat on genuine seekers and even if it did somehow 'catch on' is this really what we want?

The best way is gradual, one to one, education from people that know to trusted companions. SWIM tells me that his approach is to explain the substance to people (if they are open to it), to discuss their thoughts about it and the questions it raises, to assess their state of mind and ease them into the idea of taking it.

SWIM has a very good friend who holds pretty much the same views he does about the world, but who he does not feel should take DMT, at least not yet. How on earth can you figure this out (and it's a very important judgement to make) if you don't meet and get to know the people you advocate it to.

 

[benzyme]

very well said. that's the same take I have on this.

it's not about elitism.. it's about responsibility.

 

[Bastard]

what are the misconceptions and false statements you say he's made?

Perhaps the statement that dreaming is a DMT trip...? His statement of fact that we are all on DMT, every night, when we dream...? "Our brain releases massive amounts of DMT every night when we sleep", etc., etc., etc. None of this is proven, it's just theory; and to state it as fact is purely deceitful to not only his groupies, but to the general public as a whole. Not much (if anything) that JR states as fact is actually fact. It's either just theory or pure BS that he made up to hype up his public speech.

The other thing, as I've stated once before in this thread, is the question of whether or not JR has ever really actually even done DMT. Every statement that I personally have ever heard him say about his experiences while on DMT are just rip offs from T. McKenna, R. Strassman, etc.

No disrespect intended, but if you honestly discovered/tried DMT purely based JR's internet babble then that just reinforces my belief that people try things (it) simply on the belief that everything their Hollywood "Super Heros" state is fact and they do little to no research beyond that, other than just doing the drug...

I'm not even going to go any further with this... I could go on all night about the ways I find fault in what JR is doing with DMT, but it would not be right to extend my own, clearly obsessive focus on to all of you... at least in all in one post. :twisted:

I hear you idtravlr.

You're right that JR presents some inaccuracies in his description of DMT, but I think he's mostly going off of Rick Strassman's study, and to my knowledge there hasn't been any other serious studies on DMT to go by. So he presents theory as fact. That's understandable to me. For example if I were talking to some friends about DMT, I wouldn't pause after each statement and make a disclaimer that this particular statement or that hasn't been definitively proven yet.

On your second point, I agree again that some of what he says sounds remarkably similar to what Strassman and McKenna have described. The "complex geometric patterns" and the "gold slipping through your hands" and so on. But I think DMT trips are fairly hard to describe, and on several occasions he has noted that words are meaningless and impotent in trying to describe the experience.

On your third point, I haven't tried DMT at all but I will grant you that my first time hearing about it was through JR. That piqued by interest for a variety of reasons (I can go into detail if you like). It would be incorrect to say that I have done no research and just tried DMT. I have just recently heard about it, and I'm going through 2 eBooks on the subject that I was recomended. So I suppose you could say that's part of my research. And the very fact that I'm here is so I can ask questions and research further.

 

[Bastard]

I understand if you dont like that JR spreads rumours as facts but hey, didnt we all at some point not know anything about some substance and yet were interested in trying? I know the first acid I took I had no idea about it, only friends had talked and for sure they talked a lot of crap that were definitely no facts... But here I am today and I feel I owe a lot to that particular day of my first trip, even if it wasnt 100% informed. So I dont think necessarily people get interested because he is the 'superhero' that talks about it, but also just because it does sound interesting anyways, whoever mentions it.

but you are right that people should research more, and i think the fact that this 'bastard' member is in this forum is in fact not reinforcing what you say but the inverse, its showing that people who have only heard from JR will go to the internet and start checking about it, reading forums, even asking why JR is wrong and so on.. and what better forum to be learning about this substance than the nexus? So: Welcome, 'bastard', look around and you'll be learning a lot

Well, to be quite frank I will fully concede that it was JR's description of DMT that got me interested in it in the first instance. I would guarantee you that had I accidentally come across video of Dr. Strassman talking about DMT, I would have little or no interest in the topic today. But I wouldn't be brash and go out and find DMT solely based on what Rogan has said. He merely sparked my curiosity. Right now I'm in the n00b research phase of it all. I'm reasing 2 eBooks on the subject and I'm on here to ask questions and learn more. I'm probably nowhere near the point where I will just try DMT. I'm interested in it for a variety of reasons though (and again, I can explain if you like), and I hope to eventually try it one day.

 

[Bastard]

and I agree with you that his carelessness is not a good thing and that there might be people that are just clueless and smoke it in a dangerous setting (like next to a tall window or cliff or whatever) and hurt themselves

so now that we all agree can we have a group hug already? hahaha

But how likely is it that someone that somehow found Joe Rogan's video on youtube then just walked out to the next corner and bought some DMT and just went straight home to smoke it from his bong without doing any research.
Just trying to find this stuff on the street is almost impossible for 99.999% of humanity. And who would go through all the trouble extracting his own spice just after hearing JR rant without researching DMT and it's effects? I think it's impossible. If you do research online about extraction you end up hearing a lot about the effects and more.

I think the worst thing is when people extract DMT just to sell and make money out of it. That's how uninformed people end up smoking DMT. And people asking questions here about the street value of DMT are fortunately shot down right away.

I'm with you on this one. I think it's pretty unlikely and hard for someone to just be able to find DMT on the streets. In defense of Rogan, I think he serves an important function. He's a mainstream guy and he can open peoples eyes up to something like DMT, and make a die hard atheist like myself doubt my beliefs. That can only be a good thing. But his function is one of merely sparking interest. Now that I'm interested, I'm going to look into the subject from more reliable sources. What Rogan did was merely make me interested in the subject the way a long winded academic type like Strassman would not be able to do.