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Hey Joe Rogan - Shut the F**K up!

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You mentioned,Ron, that you don't drink or smoke. The government WANTS you to drink and smoke. SIN TAX. And I aint talking 'bout grammer.
Also, those hypnotized, hopeful, utopia-minded folks out there that think the government is in place to serve "We, the People". Please, grow up. I am not asking anyone to trade in their ideals or moral standards. The higher the better. But "The MAN" is in place to control populations on behalf of the 5 percent that control 95% of the money. prisonplanet.com. Alex Jones. Kill your T.V. Don't believe mainstream media. Do a little homework on who owns what and you may realize you are better off ordering a lifetime supply of MHRB NOW. You can always get drain cleaner and lighter fluid later. Forget about writing your congressman. Not that ALL politicians are bad. No. People are good generally. They just can't fight 'the machine'.

I know I am coming off as negative, but the truth is that I am an informed realist. There is plenty(PLENTY!) of beauty in the world. I live for truth, beauty and humor. I just know that that is not a battle that I personally have a desire to fight. There are other ways to get and have what you want in this life that don't involve hurting others, or taxing them to death, telling them what they can or can't ingest, etc.

Trying to stay positive in a world run by the almighty dollar takes up enough of my time. The rest is spent talking to swim, who is currently extracting sum'n from sum'n else. So, smile.

adieu
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well instead of buying a lifetime supply of MHRB..get some chakruna bushes..and then build a green house..and grow tons of the things...they are one of the toughest plants SWIM has ever seen...one go frozen in a bad storm(SWIMs door blew open and it was lik 10 degrees and blowing 60mph..well the plant died..and SWIM was hoping like hell that it would be tough and survive..but he watered it for about a month with no sign of anything happening..so he threw the dirt and roots outside..but decided to check the now bare root system...low and behold...right there..was TWO green sprouts shooting off the root system...SWIM put it back in some fresh dirt..continued to water it..and now hes got one 1" tall sprout with almost 4 leaves..and another 1/2 inch sprout with almost two leaves...

tough plant..
 
jasons741 said:
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You mentioned,Ron, that you don't drink or smoke. The government WANTS you to drink and smoke. SIN TAX. And I aint talking 'bout grammer.
Also, those hypnotized, hopeful, utopia-minded folks out there that think the government is in place to serve "We, the People". Please, grow up. I am not asking anyone to trade in their ideals or moral standards. The higher the better. But "The MAN" is in place to control populations on behalf of the 5 percent that control 95% of the money. prisonplanet.com. Alex Jones. Kill your T.V. Don't believe mainstream media. Do a little homework on who owns what and you may realize you are better off ordering a lifetime supply of MHRB NOW. You can always get drain cleaner and lighter fluid later. Forget about writing your congressman. Not that ALL politicians are bad. No. People are good generally. They just can't fight 'the machine'.

I know I am coming off as negative, but the truth is that I am an informed realist. There is plenty(PLENTY!) of beauty in the world. I live for truth, beauty and humor. I just know that that is not a battle that I personally have a desire to fight. There are other ways to get and have what you want in this life that don't involve hurting others, or taxing them to death, telling them what they can or can't ingest, etc.

Trying to stay positive in a world run by the almighty dollar takes up enough of my time. The rest is spent talking to swim, who is currently extracting sum'n from sum'n else. So, smile.

adieu
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Yeah, good post.

And fuck the fuckin machine! :p Well I think the machine is fuckin itself right now. This system of corruption and crap is collapsing :D And I think I've never felt better. I know there might be hard times ahead but I also know something good will come out of that.

Fuck the system before the system fucks you!
 
I hope that's true but I dunno... people make a lot of money when the financial markets go tits up. A lot of the elite lose out, but the cleverest see it coming and their monopolies just increase further. The powerholders may well become companies rather than individuals, but that's not good either seeing as these 'legal persons' act psychopathically when judged as if they were real people. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do suspect that market crashes are welcomed by the real players as a tool for ammassing even more of their fair share of the wealth. Hope I'm wrong.

But yeah, definitely throw away your telly and stop reading their bullshit papers... I don't even know who any of these celebrities are anymore and I like it that way... and now, if I do see a bit of telly, or a shit film, or a trashy paper, the bullshit is so apparent to me that I'm repulsed by the contents and can't believe I grew up absorbing that crap. I'd much rather waste my time on sites like this learning how to travel to various dimensions!!!
 
And that's good. People are waking up and DMT is one of the tools that can help people see through the crap. That's why I don't care if Joe Rogan tells a lot of people on youtube or whatever to try this stuff.
Well there will always be idiots doing this stuff also. But if you want people to wake up and more people start to become interested in other dimensions and stuff like that, then there will always idiots follow. But they will turn away again when they realize this is not just another way to get totally fucked.
 
ohayoco said:
But yeah, definitely throw away your telly and stop reading their bullshit papers... I don't even know who any of these celebrities are anymore and I like it that way... and now, if I do see a bit of telly, or a shit film, or a trashy paper, the bullshit is so apparent to me that I'm repulsed by the contents and can't believe I grew up absorbing that crap. I'd much rather waste my time on sites like this learning how to travel to various dimensions!!!
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Rock on.
 
Wow. when I started this thread I really didn't expect it to blow up into such a diverse variety of opinions and controversy. I personally have enjoyed following this thread, and it's certainly opened my eyes to look deeper into my initial statement. I really do "get", respect, and find validity in what most people are arguing on all sides.

That being said, I still don't believe that more media attention to DMT will do anything but hurt the availability of this amazing entheogen at worst. At best I believe more publicity will only keep it in its current state of regulation. If publicity of psychedelics really holds the key to unlocking social biases and legal barriers, then we would have seen this effect already, as the children of the 60's / 70's psychedelic era have grown up to take positions in community, corporations, and government. Clearly though, LSD and Mescaline for example are no less illegal than they were back then (if not more so). My initial statement and sincere belief is that we still need to keep DMT under the radar so that the supplies for producing it for personal use don't become even more regulated.

I personally believe that substances as sacred and powerful as DMT should be sought out and discovered via a genuine passion for expanding ones mind. No offense to anyone on this site but the fact that some people were introduced to DMT simply because of Joe Rogan's media posts is both amusing and disturbing to me. Any true seeker of significant mind and conscience altering experiences would (or in my opinion should) have known about the centuries old use of this chemical long before now! This probably comes across as an elitist statement, but I was aware of DMT, and was on a continuous quest for it for a couple of decades before I was actually rewarded with the experience. And it was certainly MORE than worth the wait.

Lastly - I don't believe we are going to change the laws by bringing psychedelic drugs into the limelight, the human race is a long, long way from that kind of paradigm shift, we are only going to create greater federal regulation on them. Keep it secret and keep it sacred, that's my personal view.
 
The easy availability of this substance is something that might get sacrificed in building the conciousness of america. We are seeing the plague of prohibition starting to crack. The RFRA is going to be a great tool in the future to help with legalizing entheogens. It's sad that the only thing that the drug war ever snuffed out effectively was LSD. I mean, its not totally gone, but still a crying shame.

Yeah, DMT should be approached with a genuine respect, but DMT will command respect no matter what.
 
Ofcourse DMT will not do anything for some people. But it makes most people think. And that's what's good, 'cause there are too many sleeping souls just wandering around doing what they are told to do by a corrupt media.
LSD woke up a lot of people and never before had war been protested so forcefully. Finally someone saw how sick it was. Before people didn't criticize war much. People just trusted the government and politicians to do the right thing.

DMT will not alone change the world to some hippie utopia but it could help crack open some minds.
 
The Logos said:
Pharmahuasca is impossible unless you can somehow obtain moclobemide. Another hoop to jump through. Think of the extra precaution with MAOI. Think of the difficulty when dosing with MAOI and dmt. It's not hard for you, but this is not something one can do without a serious commitment and research.
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Enjoyable rant. Breath of resh air. Really.

This last part is dangerous BS though. Why would you use moclobemide in pharmahuasca when very safe and effective RIMAs are present in so many plants?
 
"And Joe Rogan, what he's doing is nothing better than those kids posting videos on youtube of them smoking salvia. You really think that somehow psychedelics will become legalize, and one day you'll be able to sit and stir that bucket of sludge on your front porch? That somehow all the Christians, all those who are deceived will take that giant leap to try psychedelic and abandon their socially conditioned delusion? Really?
There's only one path all this lead to. That is it will attract the attention of the public and DEA. Things will get crack down. Vendors will get busted, the nightmares. Just look at what's happening to salvia and RC.
People don't care about your mind-blowing experiences. They will not listen once you mention anything about drug. Congressmen and statesmen will crack down on it, no matter what they hear. It's the way they are conditioned. That's why I said that not everyone was made for psychedelics.

I know it just hurts so much for many of you to swallow it, instead of going out there and preaching to your friends and family about the wonderful change that psychedelics has taken upon you, spreading love/peace/truth/etc. but remember, if they were the type of people who are incline to listen, become curious, and research about it on their own, they would have already done it in the first place or eventually.

One other thing, why dmt will never be popular, it's extremely difficult to get your hand on DMT. That is it usually takes more effort than simply buying from someone. DMT is very hard to smoke properly. The smoke is extremely harsh. Look at how easy salvia is to smoke and people still manage to screw it up and say it's all bullshit.
So you want to give them oral dmt, or ayahuasca perhaps? Ayahuasca is extremely foul tasting, the purge is not enjoyable no matter how much of a traditionalist you are.
Pharmahuasca is impossible unless you can somehow obtain moclobemide. Another hoop to jump through. Think of the extra precaution with MAOI. Think of the difficulty when dosing with MAOI and dmt. It's not hard for you, but this is not something one can do without a serious commitment and research."

converting to fumarate and putting it up your nose requires almost no hoops at all, no 'technique', no pre-dose, no specialised equipment. This is something one can do without serious commitment and/or research. Its as convenient as most drugs.
just a side note.

Drug use rates have grown worldwide at quite a pace despite massively over the top prohibition propaganda, funding and manpower over the last century. This trend shows no sign of stopping, and it never has. The ethics of the question are interesting, but in the long run I don't think it'll make a bit of difference - there will eventually be a point, not just for psychedelics but for all popular illegal drugs, where the increasing proportionate number of users will reach a critical stage.

Something will happen. It might not be the rapture, or hippie paradise, but change is immutable.
 
The Logos said:
What exactly does everyone envision happening as a large percent of the population becomes familiar with DMT?

You all dream of a world where everyone is equal, no religious dogma, people freebasing DMT and becoming enlighten.
If that didn't happen in the 60's, why would it happen now? Why would it ever happen? DMT doesn't turn you into an enlightened philosopher overnight. Some people do not have the capacity to learn and evolve. Does this make me an elitist? Remember that psychedelics has always been around, and they were revered in many cultures.

Did the Indians become enlighten, join together in peace and create a utopia? No, they believe in spirit of the eagle/coyote/random animals in the wood, another Jesus Christ, the same concept, the same hunger to grasp on to some delusion that gives life meaning. They warred amongst themselves constantly.
Do not place too much conviction in psychedelics, or you run the risk of deceiving yourself. Psychedelics does not make the person. There is no awakening. No truth to spread.
Even among ourselves, there are those who would become fixate on entities and other irrational sentiments.

Psychedelics are useful tools for some, but there are those rare times during a trip where I would experience regrets and promise myself to abandon it forever.
You may think I'm weak for saying so. You believe only bad people or people with deep personal problems experience bad trips, and if it ever happen to you, you would be able to handle it much better.
Here's a tip, no you wouldn't. Bad trips happen to everybody, and I truly believe that it can severely devastate many and turn them insane. Scoff at it if you will, but psychedelics are not for everyone, especially not for the entire society.

And Joe Rogan, what he's doing is nothing better than those kids posting videos on youtube of them smoking salvia. You really think that somehow psychedelics will become legalize, and one day you'll be able to sit and stir that bucket of sludge on your front porch? That somehow all the Christians, all those who are deceived will take that giant leap to try psychedelic and abandon their socially conditioned delusion? Really?
There's only one path all this lead to. That is it will attract the attention of the public and DEA. Things will get crack down. Vendors will get busted, the nightmares. Just look at what's happening to salvia and RC.
People don't care about your mind-blowing experiences. They will not listen once you mention anything about drug. Congressmen and statesmen will crack down on it, no matter what they hear. It's the way they are conditioned. That's why I said that not everyone was made for psychedelics.

I know it just hurts so much for many of you to swallow it, instead of going out there and preaching to your friends and family about the wonderful change that psychedelics has taken upon you, spreading love/peace/truth/etc. but remember, if they were the type of people who are incline to listen, become curious, and research about it on their own, they would have already done it in the first place or eventually.

One other thing, why dmt will never be popular, it's extremely difficult to get your hand on DMT. That is it usually takes more effort than simply buying from someone. DMT is very hard to smoke properly. The smoke is extremely harsh. Look at how easy salvia is to smoke and people still manage to screw it up and say it's all bullshit.
So you want to give them oral dmt, or ayahuasca perhaps? Ayahuasca is extremely foul tasting, the purge is not enjoyable no matter how much of a traditionalist you are.
Pharmahuasca is impossible unless you can somehow obtain moclobemide. Another hoop to jump through. Think of the extra precaution with MAOI. Think of the difficulty when dosing with MAOI and dmt. It's not hard for you, but this is not something one can do without a serious commitment and research.


You want DMT to become popular because your ego craves for you to make this little hobby widespread. It's not enough that DMT teaches you. The whole world must know about it.
Don't turn this into another drug trend. Things are fine the way they are right now.
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Well stated man. My sentiments exactly. The only thing I disagree with is that smoking DMT is extremely harsh. When it's done right it's as smooth as a steam bath, but most people wont venture beyond those couple first nasty harsh burnt hits... Which just validates your many points even more. Excellent REALISTIC outlook on your part!
 
idtravlr said:
Joe Rogan - If by chance you visit this site (which I'm guessing you probably do), I'd like to ask that you shut the hell up with your public rantings and endorsement of the use of DMT. All that publicity is doing is bringing more attention, and creating more miss conception about the ancient and sacred chemical. Seriously man, posting youtube videos that make false statements about, and glorify the use of DMT as a party drug that everyone should try? All you are doing is watering down the spiritual value of this chemical, and bringing more media (and Federal) attention to it.

If you truly appreciate The Spice (and i assume you do since you got a DMT inspired sleeve tattoo) then why wouldn't you keep your mouth shut and keep things under the radar? I just don't get it. Is this all just some fucked up publicity stunt for you? That's all I can assume because there is no other reason to bring this molecule to the forefront of the media / general public's attention.

So, I kindly ask. Shut the fuck up already! You're doing no good.

-idt
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That's interesting.

I became interested in DMT only after hearing Joe Rogan talk about it not that long ago, and that's why I'm on this board. I'm curious though, what are the misconceptions and false statements you say he's made?
 
for example that dmt is released in the pineal when we dream or when we die and so on, that is all speculation.. its a fact that dmt is a part of normal metabolism in trace amounts but nobody knows why its there, and it has neither been proven to be made in the pineal.
 
Bastard said:
what are the misconceptions and false statements you say he's made?
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Perhaps the statement that dreaming is a DMT trip...? His statement of fact that we are all on DMT, every night, when we dream...? "Our brain releases massive amounts of DMT every night when we sleep", etc., etc., etc. None of this is proven, it's just theory; and to state it as fact is purely deceitful to not only his groupies, but to the general public as a whole. Not much (if anything) that JR states as fact is actually fact. It's either just theory or pure BS that he made up to hype up his public speech.

The other thing, as I've stated once before in this thread, is the question of whether or not JR has ever really actually even done DMT. Every statement that I personally have ever heard him say about his experiences while on DMT are just rip offs from T. McKenna, R. Strassman, etc.

No disrespect intended, but if you honestly discovered/tried DMT purely based JR's internet babble then that just reinforces my belief that people try things (it) simply on the belief that everything their Hollywood "Super Heros" state is fact and they do little to no research beyond that, other than just doing the drug...

I'm not even going to go any further with this... I could go on all night about the ways I find fault in what JR is doing with DMT, but it would not be right to extend my own, clearly obsessive focus on to all of you... at least in all in one post. :twisted:
 
I understand if you dont like that JR spreads rumours as facts but hey, didnt we all at some point not know anything about some substance and yet were interested in trying? I know the first acid I took I had no idea about it, only friends had talked and for sure they talked a lot of crap that were definitely no facts... But here I am today and I feel I owe a lot to that particular day of my first trip, even if it wasnt 100% informed. So I dont think necessarily people get interested because he is the 'superhero' that talks about it, but also just because it does sound interesting anyways, whoever mentions it.

but you are right that people should research more, and i think the fact that this 'bastard' member is in this forum is in fact not reinforcing what you say but the inverse, its showing that people who have only heard from JR will go to the internet and start checking about it, reading forums, even asking why JR is wrong and so on.. and what better forum to be learning about this substance than the nexus? So: Welcome, 'bastard', look around and you'll be learning a lot :)
 
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