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High levels of Salvinorin A. discovered in Salvia Recognita and others.

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Really interesting.

Attached the corresponding paper.
 

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So how are those yields compared to salvia D.?

Unfortunately significantly lower. The paper indicated values for S. Divinorum at 0.89 to 3.70 mg/g (dry) vs 0.21 mg/g for S.Recognita.

But e.g. if Salvia Recognita would be a better grower or easier to grow climate and seed wise, it could still be interesting for extraction.

It certainly is easier and cheaper to get some S. Recognita seeds...

A description I found about S. Recognita:
(Turkish Cliff Sage) Spring into early summer, Turkish Cliff Sage produces erect, branching flower spikes 24 to 36 inches long that rise from basal foliage. They’re covered with whorls of pale pink blossoms with delicate white markings.

Salvia recognita is endemic to Central Turkey, which means that is the only place where it originates in the wild. It's found at the base of cliffs at altitudes up to 4,000 feet where heat tolerance and drought resistance are necessary for survival. Long silky hairs give the plant’s light green leaves a grayish cast and help them conserve moisture. The leaves vary in size from 3 to 12 inches long.

As a cliff dweller, this heat-tolerant sage is adjusted to rocky, dry soils. However, we’ve found that it can handle regular watering and isn’t picky about soil types except for requiring good drainage. It does well in either full sun or partial shade.

Although deer don’t consider Salvia recognita a good snack, honeybees and butterflies love it. In the ground, it can grow from 3 to 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide. So it works well as a background or border planting. With careful trimming, it also looks lovely in containers.

They indicate USDA zones 6-9. So it seems to be much tougher than S. Divinorum.
 
Aum_Shanti said:
So how are those yields compared to salvia D.?

Unfortunately significantly lower. The paper indicated values for S. Divinorum at 0.89 to 3.70 mg/g (dry) vs 0.21 mg/g for S.Recognita.

But e.g. if Salvia Recognita would be a better grower or easier to grow climate and seed wise, it could still be interesting for extraction.

It certainly is easier and cheaper to get some S. Recognita seeds...

A description I found about S. Recognita:
(Turkish Cliff Sage) Spring into early summer, Turkish Cliff Sage produces erect, branching flower spikes 24 to 36 inches long that rise from basal foliage. They’re covered with whorls of pale pink blossoms with delicate white markings.

Salvia recognita is endemic to Central Turkey, which means that is the only place where it originates in the wild. It's found at the base of cliffs at altitudes up to 4,000 feet where heat tolerance and drought resistance are necessary for survival. Long silky hairs give the plant’s light green leaves a grayish cast and help them conserve moisture. The leaves vary in size from 3 to 12 inches long.

As a cliff dweller, this heat-tolerant sage is adjusted to rocky, dry soils. However, we’ve found that it can handle regular watering and isn’t picky about soil types except for requiring good drainage. It does well in either full sun or partial shade.

Although deer don’t consider Salvia recognita a good snack, honeybees and butterflies love it. In the ground, it can grow from 3 to 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide. So it works well as a background or border planting. With careful trimming, it also looks lovely in containers.

They indicate USDA zones 6-9. So it seems to be much tougher than S. Divinorum.
Thats only like 22mm per 100g. And if you have to go through the same extraction process as Salvia D., not sure it be worth it :(
 
Well if you go by the values in the paper S. Recognita has roughly about 1/4 to 1/20 the potency of S. Divinorum.

Salvia Glutinosa is even quite lower. But it is very hardy and grows wild even in central europe.
So should be easy to grow bigger plots outside even in central europe.
 
Over at sharetheseeds, someone says Salvia d.'s salvinorin A content is 100 - 500 μg, which is similar to that of Salvia recognita? Maybe it was an error.

Anyway, with a plant that readily propagates by seed, there is potential for selective breeding.
 
Over at sharetheseeds, someone says Salvia d.'s salvinorin A content is 100 - 500 μg, which is similar to that of Salvia recognita? Maybe it was an error.

I think that's an error, if you look at gibran2's famous extraction (Salvinorin A Extraction and Purification - Salvia Divinorum - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus), which yielded 2.7mg/g.

Anyway, with a plant that readily propagates by seed, there is potential for selective breeding.
That surely presents itself as an interesting option...

Ideally one would breed a potent Salvia Glutinosa strain.
 
Aum_Shanti said:
Well if you go by the values in the paper S. Recognita has roughly about 1/4 to 1/20 the potency of S. Divinorum.

Salvia Glutinosa is even quite lower. But it is very hardy and grows wild even in central europe.
So should be easy to grow bigger plots outside even in central europe.

Also think how many other species of Salvia could contain Salvinorin A. that haven't tested yet.
 
Drowning-man said:
Aum_Shanti said:
So how are those yields compared to salvia D.?

Unfortunately significantly lower. The paper indicated values for S. Divinorum at 0.89 to 3.70 mg/g (dry) vs 0.21 mg/g for S.Recognita.

But e.g. if Salvia Recognita would be a better grower or easier to grow climate and seed wise, it could still be interesting for extraction.

It certainly is easier and cheaper to get some S. Recognita seeds...

A description I found about S. Recognita:
(Turkish Cliff Sage) Spring into early summer, Turkish Cliff Sage produces erect, branching flower spikes 24 to 36 inches long that rise from basal foliage. They’re covered with whorls of pale pink blossoms with delicate white markings.

Salvia recognita is endemic to Central Turkey, which means that is the only place where it originates in the wild. It's found at the base of cliffs at altitudes up to 4,000 feet where heat tolerance and drought resistance are necessary for survival. Long silky hairs give the plant’s light green leaves a grayish cast and help them conserve moisture. The leaves vary in size from 3 to 12 inches long.

As a cliff dweller, this heat-tolerant sage is adjusted to rocky, dry soils. However, we’ve found that it can handle regular watering and isn’t picky about soil types except for requiring good drainage. It does well in either full sun or partial shade.

Although deer don’t consider Salvia recognita a good snack, honeybees and butterflies love it. In the ground, it can grow from 3 to 5 feet tall and 3 feet wide. So it works well as a background or border planting. With careful trimming, it also looks lovely in containers.

They indicate USDA zones 6-9. So it seems to be much tougher than S. Divinorum.
Thats only like 22mm per 100g. And if you have to go through the same extraction process as Salvia D., not sure it be worth it :(
I'm not sure what a dose for you is, but how much work do you go through for 22 strong doses of DMT?
 
Aum_Shanti said:
@Mindlusion:

Do you have any specific expectation for Salvinorin B? Or just curiosity?
Or do you plan to make one of the known (or new?) synthetic derivatives?

as far as I know salvinorin B is inactive, but maybe it is active at larger doses.

I intend to try it, or perhaps it is inactive alone but has synergistic effects with the active compounds.

Additionally id like to experiment with complexing the salvinorin compounds onto something like a cyclodextrin for sublingual absorption, as has been explored on the forum previously. I am not interested in vaporizing the compounds, too terrifying/confusing.

The plan is to make synthetic derivatives, both known derivatives, and I plan to make some novel derivatives.
 
That surely sounds really very interesting!

Did you just plant them now, or do they already have some size?

It really seems out of the tested ones S. Potentillifolia seems as strong as a producer as S.Divinorum of Salvinorins. And it still seems it has the potential for the B to A conversion.

I really wonder if it would be possible to breed plants, with a better B to A conversion. That would yield a plant equal to S. Divinorum in potency.
 
Mindlusion said:
Aum_Shanti said:
@Mindlusion:

Do you have any specific expectation for Salvinorin B? Or just curiosity?
Or do you plan to make one of the known (or new?) synthetic derivatives?

as far as I know salvinorin B is inactive, but maybe it is active at larger doses.

I intend to try it, or perhaps it is inactive alone but has synergistic effects with the active compounds.

Additionally id like to experiment with complexing the salvinorin compounds onto something like a cyclodextrin for sublingual absorption, as has been explored on the forum previously. I am not interested in vaporizing the compounds, too terrifying/confusing.

The plan is to make synthetic derivatives, both known derivatives, and I plan to make some novel derivatives.

I was thinking enhanced leaf quid maybe throw it in some pouchs like chew. I'm with you on the vaporizing/smoking this, I believe something happens during metabolism changing the compound.

I'm very interested to hear the reports of an analogue.
 
I've just sown some S. recognita seeds in an unheated shed for cold stratification, in 3-4 weeks will move them to a heated room.

I must be very sensitive to salvinorin A, because I feel 2 dried Salvia d. leaves quidded (and 4 is too much), so even if I need 10 times more material with S. recognita it may still be viable. Its leaves may be smaller, but they seem thicker (?)
 
Wow - since Salvia Divinorum is a cultivar, S. Recognita could be infinitely more useful in the long-term as a seeding plant which grows in less hospitable climates than Southern Mexico.

Even with the lower content of Salvinorin-A, it's almost certain that, over time, people cultivating the plant will breed them to favor higher levels. (I mean, increasing THC in pot plants has become a bazillion-dollar cottage industry complete with the Cannabis Cup awards.)

This is so promising!
 
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