High Revalation about deja vus

[River of Thoughts]

Hey Guys,

I vaped up some good sativa and I was walking with my bro and a thought came in my head.

What if we always have a perfect simulation of our future played for us in our dreams? But we forget this aspect of the dream 99.999% of the time. When we have deja vus its actually a flash vision of your perfect simulation of the present that came from your dream. But since you did not do things the same way in your simulations dream state, you sense an alternate timeline and you feel it to your bone but everything is different. When you have a deja vu you sometimes remember something extra but it never happens when you try to predict it right after the flash. I hope you guys get what I mean.... I'm really high, excuse my typing.

 

[Global]

I think dreams are very unlikely to be perfect simulations of our futures. If anything, they may sometimes have a precognitive element so maybe you have something there, but to say that we're always having pre-cognitive dreams seems incredibly far from the truth.

 

[River of Thoughts]

I think dreams are very unlikely to be perfect simulations of our futures. If anything, they may sometimes have a precognitive element so maybe you have something there, but to say that we're always having pre-cognitive dreams seems incredibly far from the truth.

How do we know tho? Maybe our brain does a good job on making sure we forget it all. For all we know we might be dreaming an eternity subconsciously through even our distraction therapy dreams.

 

[tele]

How do we know tho? Maybe our brain does a good job on making sure we forget it all. For all we know we might be dreaming an eternity subconsciously through even our distraction therapy dreams.

There's many things we don't know...

Deja vu's I think are equally connected to the past as they are to future IMO.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Your idea that we only remember the barest sliver of our dream lives is spot on.

Even as one who trains his dream recall and remembers 10 dreams in the morning, I know I am only remembering a faint shadow of all the dream activity I have.

Déjà vu often does come from dreaming. Dreams I have forgotten completely come back in a flood if a situation in waking life triggers it. Sometimes it is a precognitive dream that showed the situation I am then experiencing, sometimes it is just thematic, or involving a specific object or subject.

Déjà vu can also come from other sources, though. Entity downloads (with or without entheogens) are often a potent source. Angelic beings showing you moments in your "future" timeline which are almost always immediately forgotten and stored away until the even begins to unfold are spoken of amply in every manner of documentation... including the Bible.

A more advanced version of déjà vu is when you not only feel you have seen this before, but remember exactly when and where you saw it before.

If you manage to progress beyond this, and retain the precognition even before the event and its déjà vu flash... you have entered the realm of prophecy.

 

[Global]

I think dreams are very unlikely to be perfect simulations of our futures. If anything, they may sometimes have a precognitive element so maybe you have something there, but to say that we're always having pre-cognitive dreams seems incredibly far from the truth.

How do we know tho? Maybe our brain does a good job on making sure we forget it all. For all we know we might be dreaming an eternity subconsciously through even our distraction therapy dreams.

I know because I'm pretty sure I never will be flying around the bedroom of my old house. What I was trying to say is that the way you worded it made it sound like all dreams are merely reflections of the future that have yet to happen, but we can't remember. What I'm trying to say is that it can't possibly be the case because I remember loads of my dreams, and most of them can never actually take place in the future. What I did say was that in those rare moments when they may be precognitive, then maybe that fits with your explanation of deja vu.

A more advanced version of déjà vu is when you not only feel you have seen this before, but remember exactly when and where you saw it before.

I get this kind of deja vu all the time. Being that I can actually remember when and where I saw it the first time, this makes me doubtful that it was also in a dream in those particular instances.

 

[thatmentat]

My take on it is this:

We know that one of the biological purposes of dreams is to act as a simulated reality to train us through survival scenarios and prepare us for real life. This is why people suffer from common universal nightmares while young. Your brain is trying to prepare you for encounters with wild animals, foreign persons, dangerous situations etc. As you grow up your understanding of reality and situations you need to be prepared for changes, ie the dream about being naked in front of people. Its preparing you for surviving embarrassment.

So we know that dreams are( at least partially ) simulated reality to help us navigate our futures successfully.

What I believe dejavu is, is that your brains skill at processing the probabilities of the future develops to a level where at least some of the time its simulated reality predictions line up identically with the real occurrence it preceded. The exactness of the replaying is what triggers the unnerving reaction to the scenario, as naturally you shouldn't know the future before it happens, because we are told that is how time works.

Some people's brains ability to do this is stronger than others, which explains why some people experience it frequently, and other never experience it at all.

 

[thatmentat]

I get this kind of deja vu all the time. Being that I can actually remember when and where I saw it the first time, this makes me doubtful that it was also in a dream in those particular instances.

I get that exact experience as well, except that the place I KNOW the memory came from was a dream. I remember the dream, the recollection of it, the pondering of the recollection during the following day, and yeah it is really fucking creepy.

 

[Global]

I also think the concept that shouldn't be overlooked is that we engage in repetitious sorts of behavior and respond similarly in similar scenarios (especially if our knowledge or expertise on the subject hasn't advanced since last time), and that we may just be acknowledging the similarity of our similar reactions to similar scenarios. I'm not even saying that this encompasses all deja vu experiences, but that it could be a large part of it.

 

[thatmentat]

I also think the concept that shouldn't be overlooked is that we engage in repetitious sorts of behavior and respond similarly in similar scenarios (especially if our knowledge or expertise on the subject hasn't advanced since last time), and that we may just be acknowledging the similarity of our similar reactions to similar scenarios. I'm not even saying that this encompasses all deja vu experiences, but that it could be a large part of it.

Repetitious behavioral patterns would definitely increase the success rate of a future simulations ability to be accurate.

 

[universecannon]

What I believe dejavu is, is that your brains skill at processing the probabilities of the future develops to a level where at least some of the time its simulated reality predictions line up identically with the real occurrence it preceded. The exactness of the replaying is what triggers the unnerving reaction to the scenario, as naturally you shouldn't know the future before it happens, because we are told that is how time works.

Some people's brains ability to do this is stronger than others, which explains why some people experience it frequently, and other never experience it at all.

This doesn't explain much at all about what i've experienced and heard of others experiencing. i experience deja vu a lot, have been writing down my dreams for years, and have found some unexplainable connections that make the idea that its all "my brain simulating probabilities" extremely laughable, no offense

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

This has a lot to do with why I prefer Zen philosophy, I guess I'm much more comfortable believing that this is the dream world. That I dreamed all this up, including dreams for a purpose I don't understand yet, and won't until I wake up. Here is the preview to a book "The Universe Is A Dream" I thought I could share with you. It's based on ACIM "A course In Miracles". It has a lot in common with Zen philosophy, It is very very good stuff, check them both out if your interested and have the time.

The Universe Is A Dream

A Course In Miracles

 

[thatmentat]

What I believe dejavu is, is that your brains skill at processing the probabilities of the future develops to a level where at least some of the time its simulated reality predictions line up identically with the real occurrence it preceded. The exactness of the replaying is what triggers the unnerving reaction to the scenario, as naturally you shouldn't know the future before it happens, because we are told that is how time works.

Some people's brains ability to do this is stronger than others, which explains why some people experience it frequently, and other never experience it at all.

This doesn't explain much at all about what i've experienced and heard of others experiencing. i experience deja vu a lot, have been writing down my dreams for years, and have found some unexplainable connections that make the idea that its all "my brain simulating probabilities" extremely laughable, no offense

It's possible that there are further and deeper connections. I have my speculations about such things and why they might be a thing, but none of it is coherent enough, and I know that my idea is at least partially included or related to the full picture. Though I know very well it is not the entire one in itself. Dejavu and dreams are far deeper then anyone has gone yet, imho.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

The Universe Is A Dream

A Course In Miracles

Nice.

The Course has been a huge source of inspiration ever since I was turned on to it by a rather unlikely person I respect highly, way back in my formative youth.

I think that one doesn't even have to buy into the whole channeled from the spirit of JC concept or even believe in Ms. Schucman's method of revelation at all for it to be of immense value. It is a bit like The Conversations With God or the Eckhart Tolle stuff in that way. The practical value of the information and philosophy stands on its own... even if you believe it to be completely contrived.

The neo-Christian language will rub many the wrong way, but if you can get past the connotations and historical uses of the wordage, you will find that the actual philosophy inside is very much along the lines of any of the other great spiritual traditions. The world is not real, attachment to illusions brings suffering etc.

The presentation is more directly aligned for western minds, though... and it addresses the peculiar head trips that westerners find as major obstacles to self-realization.

ACIM is too consistent and rings too true to be dismissed offhand IMO. The mind training in the Workbook is such a profound contemplation, and it can do wonders. Actually completing it in a year is pretty difficult, but even if you take 3 years to do it, it is a worthwhile journey. The meditations go extremely well with entheogens as well. Some of the most effective mantras you could ask for.

An example taken at random:

Lesson 31: "I am not the victim of the world I see." (instant bad trip killer)

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

Very Nicely put.

 

[Guardian]

Interesting thought. I've always felt that deja vu was a parallel universe coinciding so similarly with our current reality that the combined effect is perceivable in our current dimension.

 

[thatmentat]

Interesting thought. I've always felt that deja vu was a parallel universe coinciding so similarly with our current reality that the combined effect is perceivable in our current dimension.

Basically my thoughts, but with the added qualification that the parallel universe is the one we manifest in our dreams. Who knows!