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Hmm.. No effects?

Astralking

Astralking

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I was unsure if this was going to work in the first place but i thought hell ill try it anyway.

I put 10 grams of rue through the herbal percolator and then reduced that down to about 2 shots.

I then ran 10 grams of mimosa and 8 grams of mimosa through it seperately and reduced those down in seperate pans to a similar one. I consumed the rue shot, let me stomach settle (2/3 mins? if that?) then drank my mimosa shot. My friend did the same.

Now i assumed that this would work. I did varying amounts of filtering on each of the brews to get out solids as i assumed that all the actives would be in the water.

However i recieved no real visual effects at all. None. I felt quite sick for a while and had "that tummy feeling" as i describe it but no visuals.

This made me think that i didn't know what to expect so didn't know what to look for. Can anyone think where i may have gone wrong? Not enough MAOI's for the dmt to work or what?

Feedback is much appreciated :)

EDIT: I used about 200mls of SLIGHTLY warm water per gram of mimosa material through the percolator (hot water for rue).
 
I'm not sure. I really hope someone can answer this, as I was planning on doing the same thing.

Did you accidify the water, and did you use enough water?

I'm going to use hotter water mixed with vinegar. Hopefully this will work better.


Maybe its because it doesn't work for syrian rue.

Was the rue and mimosa powdered?
 
I see no reason why this tek wouldn't work for rue.

A couple points to consider:

#1: I have NEVER had success making tea from whole rue seeds. At the very least, they need to be coarsely ground. Ideally, they should be powder, as should the mimosa. This makes filtering a tad more tricky, but it's worth it, imho, for increased alkaloid extraction. With the mimosa, as long as the root is roughly shredded the dmt will extract, it will just take longer. With rue, I have boiled whole seeds for 1hx2 and had absolutely zilch MAO inhibition. I've also swallowed whole seeds in capsules and had zero MAO inhibition. I wasted lots of MHRB because I hadn't achieved MAOI with whole rue seeds.

#2: Some people, myself included, need to pre-dose the harmala before taking the DMT solution. Others need harmala at the same time as DMT. Chalk this one up to individual metabolism and enzyme variations.
The safest bet: predose 3g of rue @ T: -1h, then dose another 3g with your DMT solution @ T: 0h.

Also, as g13juggalo alluded to, acidification of the water with a splash of vinegar is helpful.
 
Did you powder your rue beforehand? If you used whole rue in the THP it may not have pulled much of the actives. I would also wait longer to take the mimosa.
Did you remove the tannins from the mimosa? If not, they may have bound with the harmalas and inactivated it. Tannic acid has been used to avoid poisoning with strychnine and certain other chemicals. Harmalas binds with tannic acid.
 
Dagger said:
Did you powder your rue beforehand? If you used whole rue in the THP it may not have pulled much of the actives. I would also wait longer to take the mimosa.
Did you remove the tannins from the mimosa? If not, they may have bound with the harmalas and inactivated it. Tannic acid has been used to avoid poisoning with strychnine and certain other chemicals. Harmalas binds with tannic acid.
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How should one get rid of the tannins?

I was gunna put both in thp at once.
 
A friend of mine was having trouble with this too, although the methodology was different:


If anyone has more input on why rue is ineffective sometimes, it would be much appreciated. She followed the same method I'd had success with in the past, and using seeds from the same batch. I'm not sure what to do about it.

I just built THP (thanks Dagger!!!!) today, and will hopefully be doing more rue testing with it after I finished brewing my caapi...
 
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