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How much psilocybin would it take to break through?
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Hmm. Not sure. Mushroom experiences can be complex. I took 5g of cubensis in a tea and the CEVs were astoundingly intricate and captivated my attention for a long time. I was aware of my body and surroundings, though.
It wasn't at all like a DMT breakthrough in speed of onset or the sense of being transported. It was a more mellow form of immersion. Maybe you could get closer with more mushrooms, but I'm not ready to try. DMT is more my flavor of ice cream anyway.
If you have experience with mushrooms already and want to push the envelope, I recommend a lemon or other acid based tea. I've heard of people having a white-out past 7g, so do keep that in mind as a possibility if you choose to really get after it.
It wasn't at all like a DMT breakthrough in speed of onset or the sense of being transported. It was a more mellow form of immersion. Maybe you could get closer with more mushrooms, but I'm not ready to try. DMT is more my flavor of ice cream anyway.
If you have experience with mushrooms already and want to push the envelope, I recommend a lemon or other acid based tea. I've heard of people having a white-out past 7g, so do keep that in mind as a possibility if you choose to really get after it.
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I've never really heard of people talking about breakthroughs with mushrooms in the same way as with smoked DMT, or of meeting entities, so I'm not sure it's a thing.
I've done 10.5g and was shot into the ether, completely losing myself, and all knowledge and understanding of anything other than I was a consciousness, but didn't meet any other beings, that I recall.
Kilindi Lyi had experience of extremely high doses.... 15to50grams
I've done 10.5g and was shot into the ether, completely losing myself, and all knowledge and understanding of anything other than I was a consciousness, but didn't meet any other beings, that I recall.
Kilindi Lyi had experience of extremely high doses.... 15to50grams
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Yes , Harmala after Mushrooms is a good way to go it seems to get a kind of breakthrough , even though i never had DMT breakthrough ...
Last time , i had 30 grams of truffles and 4 grams of Rue seeds two hours later and that was a real blast ! i unfortunatly kind of passed out in my bed for it was such a strong experience ...
I'll do it again with a bit less of both compounds next time !
Best .
Last time , i had 30 grams of truffles and 4 grams of Rue seeds two hours later and that was a real blast ! i unfortunatly kind of passed out in my bed for it was such a strong experience ...
I'll do it again with a bit less of both compounds next time !
Best .
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It's more typical for people to take the harmalas before the mushrooms. I'm curious if you tried it both ways and how does it differ?
One could also try smoalking freebase harmalas at the peak of the mushroom trip, that should produce interesting results.
@Sakkadelic .
I did it this way because Harmala seems to block my receptors for Psylo when i did it the other way !
I did it this way because Harmala seems to block my receptors for Psylo when i did it the other way !
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That is weird as it's supposed to do the opposite. It may be that the harmalas disrupted your digestion/absorption of the mushrooms thus diminishing the trip.@Sakkadelic .
I did it this way because Harmala seems to block my receptors for Psylo when i did it the other way !
When you took it 2 hrs after, that must have been around the peak of the mushroom effect, right? Do you recall how long it took for the harmalas to kick in, and if they further interesified the trip or just made it (or the peak) longer?
I don't know what's wrong with me but that's the way it is ! I had 30 grams of truffles and i was still pretty high before i took the Rue seeds but 15 minutes afterward , It hit me very strong !
I did the opposite the first time i had both and no psylo high at all
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I also this there are some things yet to be known about the interactions with especially Rue and DMT or psilocybin. It's not only lengthen the duration of the trip it also gives it's own character. And in my experience over time the Rue part can dominate the trips and take away some aspects of the tryptamines. Not necessarily to the bad.
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A relevant thread about the concept of breakthrough in general: The Term 'Breakthrough'
Good stuff.
I ate about 30 grams of fresh shrooms one time and I could let the visuals overtake my entire visual field. If I would blink or turn my head it would start over. But I was perfectly conscious and aware of what was going on, even trying not to blink to let it happen. I ate 45 grams of fresh shrooms once and i cant even remember the visuals. My mind was sort of on a loop and the sounds of summer going on outside were the majority of my awareness, as far as i recall. The hardest dmt trip I've had I couldn't even get my bearings. I had no idea what was what. My mind kept trying to make sense of what was happening but it couldn't understand. It couldn't even keep up with what was happening, is how it seemed. I was in like a cartoon carnival. Inside a carnival ride with a carnival going on inside the ride.
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You don’t need harmalas or anything else extra to have a psilocybin breakthrough. You just need to take enough. The effects rise as the dose rises ime and it’s not that different from DMT.
You do not leave your body on DMT anyway…not really. Usually you are still aware your body is sitting in a room. People do tend to oversell DMT and undersell psilocybin imo.
The psilocybin breakthrough has more entities and color…again imo.
I guess this is not everyone else’s experience but it honestly seems to be most peoples. I am always amazed this is even a question anymore.
You do not leave your body on DMT anyway…not really. Usually you are still aware your body is sitting in a room. People do tend to oversell DMT and undersell psilocybin imo.
The psilocybin breakthrough has more entities and color…again imo.
I guess this is not everyone else’s experience but it honestly seems to be most peoples. I am always amazed this is even a question anymore.
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Nothing wrong with you my friend I'm sure. The different combinations and endless variables make for all kinds of possible outcomes.I don't know what's wrong with me but that's the way it is ! I had 30 grams of truffles and i was still pretty high before i took the Rue seeds but 15 minutes afterward , It hit me very strong !
I did the opposite the first time i had both and no psylo high at all
I think breakthrough is sort of considered a "heroic dose", that being 5 dried grams or more.( Terrance preached this all the time and also how you can hear the entities but don't see them and more auditory hallucinating..,he mentions a hard headed man said this never happened to him, then he pushed the dose up to I think he said 8 or 10 grams and found all that McKenna had been speaking of).
I personally have had MANY 5g trips with Cubensis and every time it is a wonderful experience where I am still somewhat coherent no matter how heavy the visuals become..I love OEV but I feel that CEV have a much bigger message and BETTER chances of having a crazy trip and then witnessing "something" (mine would be a quarter ounce, 7g of very potent mushrooms probably some Pans or something on the stronger spectrum with cubes..I had no choice but to hit the bed and basically just flooded by visuals(toward the end of this peak is when I realized innate primal animal characteristicts, like I am MAN, flesh with a soul, or something..and although I do not recall ALL CEV, I did see my room had changed greatly when the peak was fading when i opened my eyes again(any time before this I couldnot distinguishif eyes were open or closed), a BIG giant human sized mushroom in the corner of my room which then morphed into a samurai like warrior with a big hat facing down could not see eyes, this did not last long.
After eating a few ounces of Pans (I never ate more than an eighth as I am new to these). I realized I loved the beautiful colorful hallucinations but it seems to be lacking the spiritual teaching aspect part...more of light show, which one could argue that a colorful jellyfish look-a-like passing by as an entity that they observe.
In fact after reading Doors of Perception, it appears these spiritual experiences or a visual dream like experiences are in a sense, "breaking through", in my definition.
"Men have attached more importance to the inscape, than to objective existents, have felt that what they saw with their eyes shut possessed a spiritually higher significance than what they saw with eyes open. The reason? Familiarity breeds contempt.." Doors of Perception including Heaven & Hell - by Aldous Huxley
I try not to get stuck on the entity part too much as YES this was the first time a heroic dose pushed me the furthest, the rebirth trip, the event that I will always recall...
LSD brought me to 3 different other (dream states) entities but also it was CEV and a visionary experience that hit in the sense of a dream..because I was transported, so to speak, to this geometric room/landscape and then praying mantis doing something to me, that felt right, like I was being healed or prepared for something. I have been unable to go back to these states no matter how hard I try, I think the key is of course abstinence and then dosing for reasons of healing.
Sorry if it seems like I am rambling but I feel if you have tried 5 grams dried a couple times, push the envelope and try 6.5 or 7g. It's a bit overkill(and trust me you don't want to "blackout and miss it all" so try to find your sweet spot.) For me 6-8grams of cubes.. 3.5g of Pans Cyans is a similar nervousness before the trip as a 5g cubensis may make me..other times I am fearless.
Interesting topic and love this discussion..I love LSD for transporting me to these visual experiences that were MUCH further and beyond watching tracers or wood grain.. I feel that if you have not experienced 5grams or more, you need to. Your first trip I'm sure was miraculous no matter what strain or even dose, but I always tell people 3.5grams is what mushrooms are all about and 5g is where you really start to transcend into unknown territory that is usually fascinating in every way.. I love LSD but somehow falls short of CEV for me somehow, it is strange but I feel it is partly why McKenna was an advocate for plant medicine as mushrooms do indeed make you hallucinate furiously.
Sorry if this is hard to read/confusing my apologies, I wrote this up pretty quick.
I personally have had MANY 5g trips with Cubensis and every time it is a wonderful experience where I am still somewhat coherent no matter how heavy the visuals become..I love OEV but I feel that CEV have a much bigger message and BETTER chances of having a crazy trip and then witnessing "something" (mine would be a quarter ounce, 7g of very potent mushrooms probably some Pans or something on the stronger spectrum with cubes..I had no choice but to hit the bed and basically just flooded by visuals(toward the end of this peak is when I realized innate primal animal characteristicts, like I am MAN, flesh with a soul, or something..and although I do not recall ALL CEV, I did see my room had changed greatly when the peak was fading when i opened my eyes again(any time before this I couldnot distinguishif eyes were open or closed), a BIG giant human sized mushroom in the corner of my room which then morphed into a samurai like warrior with a big hat facing down could not see eyes, this did not last long.
After eating a few ounces of Pans (I never ate more than an eighth as I am new to these). I realized I loved the beautiful colorful hallucinations but it seems to be lacking the spiritual teaching aspect part...more of light show, which one could argue that a colorful jellyfish look-a-like passing by as an entity that they observe.
In fact after reading Doors of Perception, it appears these spiritual experiences or a visual dream like experiences are in a sense, "breaking through", in my definition.
"Men have attached more importance to the inscape, than to objective existents, have felt that what they saw with their eyes shut possessed a spiritually higher significance than what they saw with eyes open. The reason? Familiarity breeds contempt.." Doors of Perception including Heaven & Hell - by Aldous Huxley
I try not to get stuck on the entity part too much as YES this was the first time a heroic dose pushed me the furthest, the rebirth trip, the event that I will always recall...
LSD brought me to 3 different other (dream states) entities but also it was CEV and a visionary experience that hit in the sense of a dream..because I was transported, so to speak, to this geometric room/landscape and then praying mantis doing something to me, that felt right, like I was being healed or prepared for something. I have been unable to go back to these states no matter how hard I try, I think the key is of course abstinence and then dosing for reasons of healing.
Sorry if it seems like I am rambling but I feel if you have tried 5 grams dried a couple times, push the envelope and try 6.5 or 7g. It's a bit overkill(and trust me you don't want to "blackout and miss it all" so try to find your sweet spot.) For me 6-8grams of cubes.. 3.5g of Pans Cyans is a similar nervousness before the trip as a 5g cubensis may make me..other times I am fearless.
Interesting topic and love this discussion..I love LSD for transporting me to these visual experiences that were MUCH further and beyond watching tracers or wood grain.. I feel that if you have not experienced 5grams or more, you need to. Your first trip I'm sure was miraculous no matter what strain or even dose, but I always tell people 3.5grams is what mushrooms are all about and 5g is where you really start to transcend into unknown territory that is usually fascinating in every way.. I love LSD but somehow falls short of CEV for me somehow, it is strange but I feel it is partly why McKenna was an advocate for plant medicine as mushrooms do indeed make you hallucinate furiously.
Sorry if this is hard to read/confusing my apologies, I wrote this up pretty quick.
I've "met" entities on shrooms. Two of them. They were co-workers. Blue collar types.
I "met" the same kind of entity on dmt once. He was working also but he was more of a specialist type...like a dentist.
The two blue collar types were laughing so hysterically the entire time they could barely carry their tools to do their job. It makes me smile even today to think of them.
I "met" the same kind of entity on dmt once. He was working also but he was more of a specialist type...like a dentist.
The two blue collar types were laughing so hysterically the entire time they could barely carry their tools to do their job. It makes me smile even today to think of them.
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I have been thinking about Terence McKenna and his 5 gram heroic dose and have come up with a strange idea. Perhaps our fast-paced technological age has made us accustomed to a rapid flow of information. Terence's time was much slower and more grounded in comparison; the internet was only just beginning to appear, and smartphones with social networks were nowhere in sight. Maybe our generation requires a higher dosage to loosen the default mode network. This would imply that we have become more egoic or individualistic as well. It is just an idea 
