I AM NOT YOUR TEACHER!

[sabela]

I'm sure the person who recommended it to you meant well but people really should not be prescribing psychedelics, let alone DMT, for mental maladies. That just does not strike me as responsible advice or guidance.

You haven't said what has caused your depression but I don't believe medication of any variety is necessary - sometimes life shits on us, or beats us down over a period of time until we are no longer able to hold ourselves up. Time, self-love, love from others, determination and introspective thinking can accomplish what no medicines can.

Personally, I don't believe it was the spirit of DMT that spoke to you. It could possibly be entity related, but I think it's much more likely it was a part of your own mind acting in self-defense/preservation - the body and mind are highly intelligent in that respect.

If you haven't got your head on straight so to speak then why seek to blow it apart with DMT? Can you see the rationalization of wanting to use DMT to solve some issue whilst avoiding facing waking reality sober? Taking DMT is easy. Facing the world head on is the real challenge; changing your being through action/life is hard but the only real route to success.

You are right about facing the world head on; facing life on life's terms, as it were; on the other hand, to take drugs for medicinal purposes... that is partly what they are for, apart from exploration and enjoyment... that's what psychedelics do, isn't it, they facilitate a shift in habitual thinking patterns, and what clinical research there is, suggests that they can be very helpful in alleviating what they call Treatment-Resistant-Depression (TRD); I see no wrong in seeing solutions in unconventional ways. But thank you; once again, I am grateful for the time and thought you have put into formulating your response. I am gradually getting more insight into my experience, and enjoy and respect the culture of this forum.

 

[sabela]

I'm sure the person who recommended it to you meant well but people really should not be prescribing psychedelics, let alone DMT, for mental maladies. That just does not strike me as responsible advice or guidance.

You haven't said what has caused your depression but I don't believe medication of any variety is necessary - sometimes life shits on us, or beats us down over a period of time until we are no longer able to hold ourselves up. Time, self-love, love from others, determination and introspective thinking can accomplish what no medicines can.

Personally, I don't believe it was the spirit of DMT that spoke to you. It could possibly be entity related, but I think it's much more likely it was a part of your own mind acting in self-defense/preservation - the body and mind are highly intelligent in that respect.

If you haven't got your head on straight so to speak then why seek to blow it apart with DMT? Can you see the rationalization of wanting to use DMT to solve some issue whilst avoiding facing waking reality sober? Taking DMT is easy. Facing the world head on is the real challenge; changing your being through action/life is hard but the only real route to success.

You are right about facing the world head on; facing life on life's terms, as it were; on the other hand, to take drugs for medicinal purposes... that is partly what they are for, apart from exploration and enjoyment... that's what psychedelics do, isn't it, they facilitate a shift in habitual thinking patterns, and what clinical research there is, suggests that they can be very helpful in alleviating what they call Treatment-Resistant-Depression (TRD); I see no wrong in seeing solutions in unconventional ways. But thank you; once again, I am grateful for the time and thought you have put into formulating your response. I am gradually getting more insight into my experience, and enjoy and respect the culture of this forum.

 

[grayza'sjist]

whilst prescribing dmt is wrong in this case so is to proscribe nothing. we all know psycoligist and psychatrists struggle with understanding the universe as it has know unfolded but to say you dont need a chimical balence is just plain wrong. some time life dont "shit on us" and we feel the rain somtimes the "shit" should not be called rain. from a platform encouraging changes to are chemical thinking should out and out deny pharmico therepy

 

[grayza'sjist]

ketamine is known not only for pain relief but post tramatic stress disorder

 

[grayza'sjist]

we find our own mentors in life same with drugs you must belive in your legitimitacy
your conection to the universe. do not take my next bit of advice becouse i am tenasious!!! i would say stop me who are you to deny my light and my dark my peace and my fight i will stand atop the universe and it will continue only at my leave

 

[xss27]

You are right about facing the world head on; facing life on life's terms, as it were; on the other hand, to take drugs for medicinal purposes... that is partly what they are for, apart from exploration and enjoyment... that's what psychedelics do, isn't it, they facilitate a shift in habitual thinking patterns, and what clinical research there is, suggests that they can be very helpful in alleviating what they call Treatment-Resistant-Depression (TRD); I see no wrong in seeing solutions in unconventional ways.

If your depression is being caused by your environment then do you believe that if you somehow shift your thought patterns that they won't just slide right back to what they were, if the environment itself hasn't changed? You also wouldn't be utilizing chemicals in a controlled research setting with professionals who know how to recondition either.

Won't deny that chemicals can be used to cause changes in brain chemistry and subsequently thoughts, but even in a controlled professional setting they really don't know what it is exactly they are doing - how can they when no one knows what a thought actually is?

Using DMT to go after depression sounds like using a shotgun to try and clip your toenails.

 

[greendude9]

You are right about facing the world head on; facing life on life's terms, as it were; on the other hand, to take drugs for medicinal purposes... that is partly what they are for, apart from exploration and enjoyment... that's what psychedelics do, isn't it, they facilitate a shift in habitual thinking patterns, and what clinical research there is, suggests that they can be very helpful in alleviating what they call Treatment-Resistant-Depression (TRD); I see no wrong in seeing solutions in unconventional ways.

Using DMT to go after depression sounds like using a shotgun to try and clip your toenails.

But I mean using a shotgun would still get rid of your toe nails if you choose that route...(joking of course haha)

 

[Simply_Me]

Great discussion.

For depression, two things. First Check out The Gut: Our Second Brain This documentary talks about how changing the microbiome of your gut can both relieve or in a different case, create depression and in my case I am thoroughly convinced that you and I have every influence on how we feel by controlling what we eat. Second, Mushrooms have been shown to relieve depressive symptoms for two years after a single dose.


Remember this too, it is not the experience itself but your perception of the experience that matters. Simply, dancing, one person can perceive dancing as incredibly freeing, liberating and transformational. Another can perceive dancing as fearful and through that fear become constricted, worried, and actually generate a traumatic experience from dancing. The event (or experience) is the same and through mindset the same event can be experienced on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Lastly, we all have the ability to change what we are thinking, we (our authentic selves) are the watchers of our minds and thoughts and with practice can change what we think. Eat well, eat probiotics, excersize, practice gratitude and transform yourself.

 

[xss27]

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It's amazing isn't it, that it has only really come to the attention of mainstream science in recent years just how important the microbiome in our gut is. Something so important, so profoundly affecting our second-to-second state of mind, and yet here we are only now just beginning to discuss it openly!

Diet and exercise are the pillars of a good state of mind and kryptonite to depressive moods, and I know from experience how true that is.

But I mean using a shotgun would still get rid of your toe nails if you choose that route...(joking of course haha)

True. It can also be used to loosen the nuts on car tyres; there's a video of that around somewhere. What a fool :lol:

 

[Infectedstyle]

I think I can understand from the point of view of the entities. I must say there are many many different faces you could meet when using DMT. Probably ranging in the range of infinite. If there's really a world out there. There's billions of people on this earth. That number is astronimical but a strange reality. Who knows how the spirit world is populated. lol

But basically their intentions are partly similar. They are very vested in the progression of you. But they generally do not give any more information than is absolutely necessary. There is also the problem that the DMT flash takes only 15 minutes. Raising the possiblity that these are real entities living in a dimension. I would also raise the possibility that it is also frustrating for them to express themselves in the span of only 15 minutes. If we are not coming with the right homework or questions. They could be very different when engaged with in a different method than DMT

I'm willing to bet my right ear to assure you that when approached in the fashion that they are happy with. They are most gentle and nice. I can picture their kind of gentle is just another kind of gentle than we are accustomed here on earth. These guys seem very unempathic to problems that we as humans create ourselves. And their idea of gentle is a bit mroe extreme.

You are right about facing the world head on; facing life on life's terms, as it were; on the other hand, to take drugs for medicinal purposes... that is partly what they are for, apart from exploration and enjoyment... that's what psychedelics do, isn't it, they facilitate a shift in habitual thinking patterns, and what clinical research there is, suggests that they can be very helpful in alleviating what they call Treatment-Resistant-Depression (TRD);

No. Ur choice of words gives away the flaws in thinking. The words "Alleviate" , "Medicine" . Drugs can't alleviate habitual thinking. It is after all you who does all the thinking. Not ur brain. This I think is what is insulting to the entity you see in DMT. It's not there to do the work you can do urself. It's not a wonder machine just as much as a psychologist is never able to truly do the work for you. It just has sets of wisdom and experience that surpasses ours

Did this experience faciliate a shift in ur thinking? Hell yea, it did. You longer think DMT is going to teach you shit.

I think this thinking is partly to blame on how pharmacology advertises drugs in general. Somehow this crosses over into the psychedelic world.

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Try asking what it is that it wants. In my experience it means the difference. One time I smoked it and the whole experience was just a massive torture. Then I asked, what it wants me to see and it showed me an area in my body that is neglected. Still trying to intergrate it. It wasn't fun but it was very interesting.

It can also be very loving. Some entities seem more gentle. Female entities in particular. Tickling my senses with cuddles and with orgasms. Other, the male could be more tough love. But sometimes orgasms too. Like an older brother that is much further in life. Sometimes the medicine is a little tough love.

Try to do something about ur depression urself. It's not so much concerned with alleviating ur pain. Ur pain is ur own treasure. But I'm willing to bet maybe 100 euro that it's concerned with making you a better person.

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I understand you did not like the experience. I think DMT is not really to blame. But the fact that depression. I think pretty much everything you could do would bore you. Try to fix it and invite life. Best advise I can give but not follow.