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I have lost my purspose in life because of DMT

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spx001

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Dear DMT users,
I am writing here to clear my thoughts. I have read a lot about DMT, mainly other people's experiences but also scientific articles. My problem is that I have lost my purpose in life because of DMT. Since my student years, I have believed in the afterlife, astral projection, higher self, karma, in God... But it turns out that what I thought was parapsychology could just be a "trip" caused by the natural occurrence of DMT in the brain. Most DMT experiences closely resemble astral projection, near-death experiences, communication with angelic beings, etc. So everything that I believed in and gave me strength and hope is suddenly gone. I am writing here because I do not have any real experience with DMT. I am curious to hear the opinion of an experienced DMT user - what do you think about it?
 
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Before you had heard of DMT's naturally occurring nature, did you think that an astral projection or divine experience would be accompanied by completely normal brain activity? Featuring completely normal neurochemistry? Of course not. When we recalibrate or upgrade a telescope, our view of the heavens changes. But that doesn't mean our new view of the heavens are illusory just because the instrument or lens has been altered. The fact that the brains chemistry and activity change during these types of experiences says very little about their overall nature and meaning.

Having some ontological shock where your beliefs get shaken to the core can be a good thing. Just work with it and see what you think, then question that too.

People have been working with psychedelics for millenia. Despite knowing that those self described "divine experiences" were partially mediated by plants, they still didn't regard them as just a delusion or illusory circus, though that can be a part of it sometimes for sure. They saw that humans are seamlessly embedded in the natural world and employed certain techniques and plant medicines to tune their lens of perception.
 
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No one really knows what is going on. Even the normal life without any paranormal stuff is a mystery if you truly think about it. One can say there was a big bang and life just emerged but we do not truly know anything about conditions prior to it. Nobody knows if the hallucinations are actually real or not. You can certainly measure the brain and figure out that there's unusual activity at the same time, does that make it real? What about the fact that a human brain can make structures up to 11 dimensions, same amount of dimensions predicted to be in the universe? We can comprehend 3, maybe some individuals could do 4. "Just a trip" does not really explain anything. It's like saying water is wet.

Fun thought experiment: If there is sentient life elsewhere, we are the aliens for them. We are actually technologically advanced ape like creatures on a self sustainable sphere floating in space. How do you even begin to explain that? "It's just humans on a rock"... :)
 
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Sabnock1990 said:
I wouldn't go that far, sure it's in small amounts normally, but what about during highly stressful events in which the body naturally/normally spurts out say some Adrenaline or Endorphins or something? DMT is a trace amine, and like hormones for example, is likely only to be released given a certain context, so my line of thinking on that is that DMT wouldn't be released by the body in a larger amount unless something stimulates it's production, like a highly stressful event like death or near death or perhaps hardcore terror or something, idk. But i don't believe it doesn't serve a purpose, it's clearly there for a reason imo.

Also it's worth keeping in mind that quite a few things are involved in endogenous DMT production, like SAM-E for example which is required for methylation by INMT (supposedly) to convert Tryptamine into N-Methyltryptamine and then into DMT, however SAM-E is produced by the body from Folate and B12, and based on what i've figured out lately, Folic Acid sucks and is likely poison (and people should use Methylfolate instead, imo/ime) and people are likely really deficient in Folate and B12, and if they're low in those things and thus low in SAM-E one can also be low in DMT, so if one were wanting more endogenous DMT production for example, one would need to give the body the precursors to make it. Also Tryptamine isn't orally active, unless MAO-A is inhibited, so if you consume Tryptophan normally only a little bit would turn into Tryptamine in the gut, but if you take Harmalas to inhibit gut MAO-A and then an hour later consume Tryptophan, with the aid of P5P B6 via the AADC enzyme Tryptophan turns into Tryptamine and is orally active, from there, how it gets turned into NMT and DMT, idk, but is speculated to be via INMT using SAM-E as a co-factor, which again, no Folate/B12, no SAM-E. I hope they figure out more in the time to come on endo-DMT though, because it's more than possible imo to raise the levels and have it more accessible.
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I will consistently be given DMT like dreams if I take tryptophan, every single time. Also I have read that there is probable biosynthesis route of tryptophan to DMT. I do believe that excess tryptophan is always converted to DMT in the body and it will manifest as very intense dreams. Not sure if normal dreams are just low dose of the same.

Also DMT has been found in rabbit lung and that could explain how some breathing exercises will result in similar experiences.
 
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Regarding the OP

If one does or does not believe in spirits, an afterlife and other such claims, very little actually changes. The needs of people of faith and those without it are remarkably similar.

When we are busy doing things we love, we don't even bother with beliefs. Nobody eats their breakfast and worries about God, they just bite, chew and swallow.

Belief is meant to serve you, some have corrupted belief so they try to get people to serve the belief, this is a form of mental slavery.

The most potent of all claims is a shrug.
 
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Pandora said:
spx001,

If no one has said it yet, I want to formally say welcome to the Nexus. :D.

This is a fascinating thread and I thought I'd chime in with a couple thoughts:

1.) This is the polar opposite of my experience. I came to DMT 15 years ago in my 40's as a skeptic reductionist, physicalist and card carrying (I joined groups and attended meetings ) atheist. It took a few breakthroughs but I had a textbook mystical experience. That plus the nature of ongoing DMT and breakthrough experiences has humbled my above referenced attitude. I have no answers. And it is clear we don't know everything that is going on. Some part of us may survive the death of the physical. There may be something we cannot yet measure that alludes to this. I mean about every 20 years quantum cosmology revises it's views on reality and the Universe. As a salient example of this phenomenon I point to dark matter and dark energy which were never even heard of or speculated on when I was a young woman.

2.) And this is more important. Seriously, I strongly encourage you to do a small extraction and smoke some DMT. NOTHING speaks louder than the breaking moment of experience. Nothing is more valid or true. You cannot know until you smoke it and see.

Regardless of where your path takes you, I hope you find what you seek and can embrace some modicum of happiness in this life. I am very glad you signed up.
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This is pretty much my exact experience! It forces you to admit that there does seem to be something else going on outside of our normal, observable reality.
 
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The only certainty on this subject is that we have two viable options after death.

Either there is nothing, lights out, no awareness. This would be easy. The only preparation needed is allowing ourselves to let go of everything at the end.

Or, there is something. In which case no amount of preparation can truly make us ready to learn what that is. But we can do our best to be ready by eliminating the secrets we hold from ourselves during this life. Knowing ourself to the best of our abilities now might help improve the transition to whatever may come next.

I suspect we might get what we truly believe in. So your choices what to believe in now are as open as they ever have been. You can either reinforce the beliefs that you currently doubt. Or form new ones that fit your soul better.
 
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fink said:
The only certainty on this subject is that we have two viable options after death.

Either there is nothing, lights out, no awareness. This would be easy. The only preparation needed is allowing ourselves to let go of everything at the end.

Or, there is something. In which case no amount of preparation can truly make us ready to learn what that is. But we can do our best to be ready by eliminating the secrets we hold from ourselves during this life. Knowing ourself to the best of our abilities now might help improve the transition to whatever may come next.

I suspect we might get what we truly believe in. So your choices what to believe in now are as open as they ever have been. You can either reinforce the beliefs that you currently doubt. Or form new ones that fit your soul better.
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Lights out after death would be so easy. I'd make my escape a long time ago if I believed it, though.
All my life experiences point to the other possibility — awareness is always here, even after death.
Life is natural, so is death. No matter what ideas we hold, all of them going to disappear when the body dies.
What remains then? It's a mystery. Staying in a state of wonder and not-knowing is the most natural path, imo.
We came here as babies with no idea about anything and most likely we're going to go this way.
 
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spx001 said:
Dear DMT users,
Since my student years, I have believed in the afterlife, astral projection, higher self, karma, in God... But it turns out that what I thought was parapsychology could just be a "trip" caused by the natural occurrence of DMT in the brain.
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my experience is the opposite of yours,
in that I never believed in any of that, and actively mocked, dismissed, and debunked all such things, until finally I saw, heard, and felt it first hand, with senses I didn't even know I had; senses that are numb, invisible, and lost to me except under very special conditions.

maybe some minority of people can do things not all of us can do without the assistance of DMT or other technologies. I don't think the DMT experience invalidates them at all.
it's something I still don't think I can even put into words that would make sense to the person I was 10 years ago, before I'd done anything more than smoked a little weed. it's not like a visualization or a dream where you make things up or you aren't really there and it just seems like a film projected on a wall, it pervades you, it alters your perception inside and out, as if you were Superman or something--you squint your eyes a little and it activates your x-ray vision and now all that empty space that makes up the atoms in the walls just looks like empty space to you, it's that kind of experience, it's participatory and organic. you've probably heard of synesthesia, where senses overlap or mix, someone might make a click noise like a dolphin or a bat and the echo that returns to them allows them to 'echo locate' or see by sound like sonar images, it's just a different form of perception most of us lack. on DMT you can see things transform in a seamless natural way as real as water turning into ice, not like some haphazard random assortment of changing ideas like a bad powerpoint slideshow changing from one thing to something entirely different. the way everything is connected, and connected through us, it becomes undeniable. it's just impossible to explain. how do you tell a blind man I know what's over there without going over there to touch it? everything we can't do that someone else can is strangely paranormal, we just take a lot of them for granted.
 
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Voidmatrix said:
They say it could be just a trip, but whose to say they are correct. No one knows the true nature of psychedelics, especially DMT, the drug action is simply what can be observed. That doesn't mean that's all there is.

One love

Edit: We're also meaning making creatures. If you've really lost something, then that's space to find something new that's meaningful and fulfilling.
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That word "could" is so important here. The world as we experience it, is governed by the rules of materialism. But it is still a total mystery how such a world can produce consciousness. How is it even possible that such a reality, with all of us conscious entities in it, even exists?

The world as we see it could be all there is. It could also be a total illusion, or just one of many worlds, or just the surface of something much bigger.
That molecules interact with other molecules says nothing about your purpose in life.

It does say something about the scale and complexity of the phenomenal world, that behind every molecule you'll only find more molecules. But it doesn't say there's only molecules.
 
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