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Elle

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Hi my boyfriend is very interested in DMT and I am beginning to worry about how 'interested' he is getting. Are there any adverse long term/short term side effects? He loves this web site and I can never get him off it, I am a fence-sitter at the moment and want to do my own research before I decide whether it's bad or not...does anyone have some advice for me?

p.s. I love you hunny
 
To my knowledge, there are no known short or long term side effects of vaping DMT. As for ayahuasca, there have been studies done on the large populations of regular ayahuasca users in South America which showed no brain damage or abnormalities attributable to ayahuasca use.
Be thankful, I suppose, that your boyfriend is interested in this particular substance, it's probably the physically safest psychedelic on the planet.

Subjectively speaking, the harsh smoke can give me lung trouble; but that's that's the full extent of physical problems. I feel like
even pot has a greater long-term effect on my brain.

However, the changes in your boyfriend's worldview may be difficult to deal with. DMT use is about far, far more than some sort of pretty or entertaining experience; it's almost some sort of alien technology connecting the user to other worlds, space, the cosmos, their true selves, God, etc. He may have trouble integrating his experiences with what he previously knew. Chances are he will gain knowledge which it will be impossible for him to share, and that even if he began to articulate it would sound crazy.

If he has good experiences with DMT, he could well ask you to try it, because that will be the only way for you to begin to comprehend what he is talking, what we are talking, about. If you are close and can talk about anything, chances are he will need you to be there to be understanding, for the ineffable mysteries of the universe will have been laid out before him, and you may be one of the only people he can really try to talk to about that.

Be open, be open-minded, and be ready! Your boyfriend is safe, but there could be other trials ahead.
 
Thank you for your advice, I will definitely try to be more open minded, it's just hard when he keeps telling me I don't understand when i'm trying to. Anyway that's my problem that I have to deal with I suppose, I'm still very cautious with the topic...
 
To complement what BananaForeskin said, I have this piece from our Health & Safety section:
WIKI said:
DMT is not physically addictive, and many users experience a frequency self-regulating quality to the drug. Any drug, however, has the potential for abuse, and DMT is no exception. If you feel yourself slipping into an area where you might be are overusing, listen to your inner voice. Chances are that you’re right.
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Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
BananaForeskin said:
However, the changes in your boyfriend's worldview may be difficult to deal with. DMT use is about far, far more than some sort of pretty or entertaining experience; it's almost some sort of alien technology connecting the user to other worlds, space, the cosmos, their true selves, God, etc. He may have trouble integrating his experiences with what he previously knew. Chances are he will gain knowledge which it will be impossible for him to share, and that even if he began to articulate it would sound crazy.

If he has good experiences with DMT, he could well ask you to try it, because that will be the only way for you to begin to comprehend what he is talking, what we are talking, about. If you are close and can talk about anything, chances are he will need you to be there to be understanding, for the ineffable mysteries of the universe will have been laid out before him, and you may be one of the only people he can really try to talk to about that.

Be open, be open-minded, and be ready! Your boyfriend is safe, but there could be other trials ahead.
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I feel like if you're a DMT-user, or even merely become interested in the subject matter, those people who you may have considered rational, open-minded people, may become seemingly and relatively close-minded to both DMT use as well as the beliefs that may accompany it. The mysterious nature of the drug and its visions can seem well-beyond outlandish to someone who hasn't had the experience, or isn't well versed on the subject matter. If what he says starts to sound crazy, try not to dismiss it as lunacy, but try and see where he's coming from. The society we live in encourages skepticism, and while it is truly one of the best qualities, to be skeptical in my honest opinion, it goes both ways. It's not good enough to simply say, "well that sounds impossible, you must be crazy," and likewise for those who are firm believers in beliefs not currently acceptable in society, we too must scrutinize our theories closely as well. Adamantly, and unquestioningly sticking to a view point (whether you think that it's an open- or close-minded one) can be quite foolish and dangerous.
 
Working with DMT in a relationship is tricky... good luck, as I said. My girlfriend has never tried DMT, although she will try ayahuasca in a few weeks, but that never affected our relationship too drastically. It made for a helluva lot of interesting conversations, though.
 
gobalswg said:
.... we too must scrutinize our theories closely as well. Adamantly, and unquestioningly sticking to a view point (whether you think that it's an open- or close-minded one) can be quite foolish and dangerous.
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That is why I like so much the phrase "Do not seek the truth, just drop your opinions". I've heard it first from Anthony DeMello who quoted a Japanese Zen master.

Btw, my wife never accepted my interest in the spice.

My advice, to quote DeMello: - Keep an open mind.
 
Trickster said:
That is why I like so much the phrase "Do not seek the truth, just drop your opinions". I've heard it first from Anthony DeMello who quoted a Japanese Zen master.
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I like that quote. Don't mind if I use it eh?
 
BananaForeskin said:
To my knowledge, there are no known short or long term side effects of vaping DMT. As for ayahuasca, there have been studies done on the large populations of regular ayahuasca users in South America which showed no brain damage or abnormalities attributable to ayahuasca use.
Be thankful, I suppose, that your boyfriend is interested in this particular substance, it's probably the physically safest psychedelic on the planet.

Subjectively speaking, the harsh smoke can give me lung trouble; but that's that's the full extent of physical problems. I feel like
even pot has a greater long-term effect on my brain.

However, the changes in your boyfriend's worldview may be difficult to deal with. DMT use is about far, far more than some sort of pretty or entertaining experience; it's almost some sort of alien technology connecting the user to other worlds, space, the cosmos, their true selves, God, etc. He may have trouble integrating his experiences with what he previously knew. Chances are he will gain knowledge which it will be impossible for him to share, and that even if he began to articulate it would sound crazy.

If he has good experiences with DMT, he could well ask you to try it, because that will be the only way for you to begin to comprehend what he is talking, what we are talking, about. If you are close and can talk about anything, chances are he will need you to be there to be understanding, for the ineffable mysteries of the universe will have been laid out before him, and you may be one of the only people he can really try to talk to about that.

Be open, be open-minded, and be ready! Your boyfriend is safe, but there could be other trials ahead.
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^^^^^^^^ I could not have put it any better!! Thank You!! Until recently , although sharing my experiences with friends and family , I had not shared with anyone other than the love of my life...My nephew has been going through some rough times with his wife leaving him and employment problems. I have tried to advise him and let him know that all this drama is not the end of his life as he knows it....all the worry and anger is unproductive and unnecessary.
Last week he stopped by and mentioned that he wanted to try spice. I explained everything to him and he said he was ready almost nonchalantly. I loaded 30mg and he coughed on the firs pull and managed to get about half of it in.. He had great OEV's and was excited and wanted to try again...I loaded 50mg and this time he got two good hits in and couldnt get the third.. I could tell by his reaction he was breaking thru and hard...He returned with a new respect for everything...life...love... Told me while he has never really been religious he felt something spiritual had just happened to him and it was beautiful...He has been "thinking" alot and has had one minor panic attack feeling in the days since...He will never be the same as I will never be the same, but in a good way... Be careful what you ask for as you just might get it!
Peace and Love
Aetherbound
 
Let me just say I completely understand your concern, and (I hope this doesn't sound patronizing) it is thoroughly adorable to see someone who cares enough to come here and post - you must be a good person.:)

But just remember - if you are in love with your boyfriend you fell in love with him for who he is, and if he has chosen this curious path, then don't forget that he has chosen it because he is adventurous, curious, probably spiritual and has a lust for knowledge and truth. I suspect you fell in love with him because he is: adventurous, curious, probably spiritual and has a lust for knowledge and truth!

Nobody here is going to guarantee you that this is 100% safe (what truly is?), but I think you need to have faith that the man you love will pursue the things he loves and the things that inspire him, and become a better person for it. As you can probably tell, this particular molecule attracts a generally affectionate, welcoming and intelligent crowd, so lay your fears to rest and wish him well in his voyages!! And as he grows, so will you.

JBArk
 
Thankyou for all your advice, you have been very helpful... and thankyou Jbark I absolutely understand what you are talking about and thankyou for reminding me of the important things!

Peace
 
Jbark says 'this molecule attracts a generally affectionate, welcoming and intelligent crowd'.

I would say it attracts all-comers but its the generally affectionate, welcoming and intelligent crowd who hang with it and they do tend to congregate here at the Nexus:wink:
 
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