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These weight the same. Weigh your dose if you can.

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Interesting....I only wanted to try 2 mg today but I couldn't get my scale to register the small amount I put on it (whatever it was).I didn't even inhale the entire amount, maybe half. I just can't get over how powerful it is. When I get home I'm going to weigh that amount out on my good scale to see what it looks like.
 
I got tagged to this thread and quickly scanned but did not deep read.

Hmm since we are talking about hypertension meds anyone know if Amlodipine (I think it's a calcium channel blocker) which has brought my BP down to a gorgeous 121/60 is safe with DMT?

It is worth noting that during the first minute or two of a DMT trip, I can FEEL the jacked up heart rate and blood pressure effect.


@Tracer58921,

Sounds like you are going through multi-pronged issues. I think the only advice I can offer is patience, information and honesty. I would hope if your marriage is strong these things could get you through.

Patience with your wife. This is a process/journey for her as well as yourself. What is the end goal of her journey (just between you and me)? It is acceptance of your new behaviors.

For YEARS every time something went wrong in our relationship my husband immediately blamed my DMT use. I finally had to confront him about how his role in things was way bigger than a molecule which among other things removed my fear of death and allowed me to live so many years not spending so much time obsessing on it, allowed me to truly LIVE. I'm not recommending this but personally it yielded the results I sought. Less criticism.

Real world information about how safe the molecule is, that it is endogenous within us, that more than one USA city has completely decriminalized it and more may follow, that the DEA does not give a damn about it unless you are dealing weight, that real research has been done on real research subjects in the modern era and though some had difficult experiences and one had a spike in BP, all were fine in the end.

Honesty. Honesty is so important (and sometimes very difficult) in an intimate relationship. Why do you want to work with psychedelics? Look deep inside. It does not matter what your answer is. It could be existential issues. It could be (related to the first) religious issues. It could be that you have not gotten very far with therapy and are hoping these medicines from the ancient world might help. It could be you are looking for a new way to get high. It could be curiosity about the contents and workings of the human mind. This small list is just the tip of the iceberg as to why folks use these medicines/drugs.

Whatever your answer is, be honest about it with your wife.

I certainly wish you only the best. Yours is not an easy path.
 
Tracer58921 said:
I'm taking a drug called Telmisartan.
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That's an angiotensin blocker, so probably not pharmacologically relevant. I'd have to look into it rather deeper to gain any level of certainty. ACE receptors are quite ubiquitous, so one might reasonable expect some similar degree of ubiquity with other components of the angiotensin system.
 
Transform said:
That's an angiotensin blocker, so probably not pharmacologically relevant. I'd have to look into it rather deeper to gain any level of certainty. ACE receptors are quite ubiquitous, so one might reasonable expect some similar degree of ubiquity with other components of the angiotensin system.
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I suspect there might be an interaction with it or possibly the methylene blue I've been taking...I forgot about that till now.
I know DMT is powerful but it's hard for me to believe that one medium toke (my first ever) would cause me to immediately feel the need to vomit and eliminate at the same time.
 
Tracer58921 said:
I suspect there might be an interaction with it or possibly the methylene blue I've been taking...I forgot about that till now.
I know DMT is powerful but it's hard for me to believe that one medium toke (my first ever) would cause me to immediately feel the need to vomit and eliminate at the same time.
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Yes, methylene blue is a MAOI. That one really is worth having mentioned sooner!
 
Pandora said:
I got tagged to this thread and quickly scanned but did not deep read.

Hmm since we are talking about hypertension meds anyone know if Amlodipine (I think it's a calcium channel blocker) which has brought my BP down to a gorgeous 121/60 is safe with DMT?

It is worth noting that during the first minute or two of a DMT trip, I can FEEL the jacked up heart rate and blood pressure effect.


@Tracer58921,

Sounds like you are going through multi-pronged issues. I think the only advice I can offer is patience, information and honesty. I would hope if your marriage is strong these things could get you through.

Patience with your wife. This is a process/journey for her as well as yourself. What is the end goal of her journey (just between you and me)? It is acceptance of your new behaviors.

For YEARS every time something went wrong in our relationship my husband immediately blamed my DMT use. I finally had to confront him about how his role in things was way bigger than a molecule which among other things removed my fear of death and allowed me to live so many years not spending so much time obsessing on it, allowed me to truly LIVE. I'm not recommending this but personally it yielded the results I sought. Less criticism.

Real world information about how safe the molecule is, that it is endogenous within us, that more than one USA city has completely decriminalized it and more may follow, that the DEA does not give a damn about it unless you are dealing weight, that real research has been done on real research subjects in the modern era and though some had difficult experiences and one had a spike in BP, all were fine in the end.

Honesty. Honesty is so important (and sometimes very difficult) in an intimate relationship. Why do you want to work with psychedelics? Look deep inside. It does not matter what your answer is. It could be existential issues. It could be (related to the first) religious issues. It could be that you have not gotten very far with therapy and are hoping these medicines from the ancient world might help. It could be you are looking for a new way to get high. It could be curiosity about the contents and workings of the human mind. This small list is just the tip of the iceberg as to why folks use these medicines/drugs.

Whatever your answer is, be honest about it with your wife.

I certainly wish you only the best. Yours is not an easy path.
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply.🙂
Thankfully, our marriage is pretty strong. I'm the weak link in it. Because of my desires to explore and bio-hack I've been met with rolled eyes more than once. She doesn't share my curiosity in those matters and isn't interested in knowing more. She's not interested in anything that might take her to a place that might cause her to panic or feel out of control so I've learned to keep things to myself for the most part which isn't ideal but at least she doesn't insist I stop and I'm thankful for that.

I've tried sharing informational videos in the past but she tends to look at her phone more than the video so I just answer the occasional question she might have and go about my business.

I've shared with her my reasons for experimenting with psychedelics such as a desire to feel unconditionally loved by the source of all consciousness so that I can hopefully show more love to others in daily life. Non-duality is also something I'd like to experience. I'm intrigued by the endless mysteries of our existence.

I just want to know more about the reality I'm a part and be a better version of myself, if possible. She understands I'm not just looking to get high and I've made it clear that the substances I'm interested in are all non-addictive.

I think as I continue experimenting and she's able to see some positive results, any fear she might have about these matters will dissolve over time. 😌

I wish you well also and thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts and advice. 🤗
 
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Yes, methylene blue is a MAOI. That one really is worth having mentioned sooner!
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True...but from what I understand, it should have made the experience last longer if it actually had an impact. I've also read experiences of other MB users that claim it didn't have a significant impact at all.🤷
 
Tracer58921 said:
True...but from what I understand, it should have made the experience last longer if it actually had an impact. I've also read experiences of other MB users that claim it didn't have a significant impact at all.🤷
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It will depend on the dose. It not only makes it longer, the character of the experience itself changes too. Things happen slower and are overall different. I don't know exactly how methylene blue will impact the subjective effects when compared to harmalas, but it will for sure potentiate DMT if the dose is high enough.
 
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It will depend on the dose. It not only makes it longer, the character of the experience itself changes too. Things happen slower and are overall different. I don't know exactly how methylene blue will impact the subjective effects when compared to harmalas, but it will for sure potentiate DMT if the dose is high enough.
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I wish I knew how much I actually vaped on that first toke but I couldn't get my scale to register a weight. It was enough for light CEV's. You might be referring to the MB dose, though....I've been taking about 45mg per day which is about .5mg per kilo of my body weight.
I'll probably stop the MB and try it again in a month or so to see if I have a better experience.
 
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It seems you'll look like guys from Avatar with time 😂
Jokes aside, what are the benefits of MB for you?
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Haha...I hope not! I'm actually not experiencing any positive benefits that I'm aware of but I'm pretty sure it's doing something because I've been getting a lot of herxheimer reactions which might indicate some nasties dying off. That being said, I've been considering stopping with the MB...I've been working my dose up over the past 6 weeks. Maybe I'll revisit it again at a later date but I'd like to see if I can have a better DMT experience without it.
 
Jamie01 said:
You could try an herb that antagonizes the 5-ht3 receptor and see if that reduces the emetic effect from the DMT at all.

Peppermint oil is one that helps me with cramps from oral tryptamines.
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That might be worth a try.... thank-you.
 
Transform said:
I'd certainly be wary of combining MB with harmala alkaloids:

MB's side effects seem to overlap with those of a Herxheimer reaction, too.
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Thanks, I'm putting the MB on the back shelf for now in hopes I'll have a better experience next time around.

My first attempt would've been mainly pleasant if it wasn't for the bad nausea and stomach discomfort.
 
blig-blug said:
The vaporized effects are very abrupt and fast in the onset. Have you considered taking harmalas? Those tend to make it slower and smoother. You could also consider pharmahuasca to get some experience before attempting to break through vaping.
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Good point...I'll probably try harmalas at some point as well as pharmahuasca. I recall that Gordo has a recipe for pharm I thought sounded doable.
Even though I was aware of the onset being quick, the sudden sensation that flooded my being still caught me off guard to say the least!
A gradual intro to this molecule might be the better route as opposed to scaring myself away from it and all its inherent possibilities. If I give up on it completely, I know I'll just make myself crazy with the what ifs. I can definitely feel the call to keep going .😌
 
Tracer58921 said:
Did my first GordoTek extraction yesterday and ended up with 609mg on the first pull.
I was excited but nervous to give it a try today so I tried to weigh out a couple of milligrams as a test on my cheapo jewel scale but couldn't get a weight to register even after preloading the scale with a large metal washer and taring to zero so I really don't know how much I used but I intentionally went with a very tiny amount for the first time. I have a much better scale at home that I should've used.
I put just enough in to barely cover the ceramic bucket coil in a Yocan Cylo and with the voltage on 3.0, tapped the power a few times until it melted in.
I then started a very weak inhale for about 7 seconds while holding the power button until I was sure I was getting some vapor...I could feel a slight urge to cough so I stopped and exhaled just enough to see smoke and then held it in.
After about 5 seconds, I could feel the effects and started having light CEV's of the typical geometry and archetypes. It got pretty intense and I started having the familiar feeling of diarrhea and queasiness that I associated with a time years ago when I drank way too much alcohol.
After the effects pretty much wore off and I was sure I wasn't going to puke or crap myself, I hit the power button repeatedly and saw that there was enough vapor still left to probably take me through the veil had I kept toking but the side effects scared me too much. I remember thinking when the nausea set in that I was going to get rid of everything associated with this but now I'm not so sure.
I've heard that lighter doses can sometimes make people sick but now I have a lot of fear about experiencing that again as opposed to some of the more positive effects that others talk about. I know I'm just being a wuss but maybe I'm just not cut out for the realms of hyperspace....disappointing.
Maybe a shamanic approach would've yielded a better overall experience but unfortunately I'm completely alone with this.
I know this wasn't at all an exciting read but I felt like I had to do it as an integration exercise and maybe get some useful advice....thanks for reading.
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I have a few times found myself crawling on the floor for the bathroom sweating bullets with that exact feeling of nausea and sickness you experienced, needing to puke and eliminate at the same time, then it just passed by fairly quickly without any action.

My worst case and last time it happened it was on a big first toke. And I had just woken up. Immediately I felt nausea and sickness on top of that heavy body distortion it was super intense distortion, nausea and sickness with urge to puke and shit my pants. It was so bad I felt like literally that was it for me, at the same time I felt like my skin was scraping together drying up, I felt like I was being mummified on the spot where I layed fetal position on the hallway floor. That was as far as i would get to the bathroom before curling up. that’s the only time It was so bad I said to myself If I get through this I will never touch that pipe again.
Then moments later i was fine, again without any action.

those handful of times this has happened is in between over a few years time using the same technique. Also it happened far between and randomly. I use sandwich technique 50mg dozes layered between ash with weed/tobacco filler. Has worked magically for me personally, I love it so I’ve never switched it up.

it’s very unfortunate it happened when dipping your toe in for the first time.
After my worst experience I was hesitant and cautious for the first few travels after and just eased into it slower than usually which I prefer actually. As Blig-blug noted in the thread and looking back it could have been the abrupt fast onset although I’m really used to it with out problems, those times it happened it could have just hit in that way the body reacts in this manner. Might be combined with poor nutrition state or exhaustion atleast in my case.
Whatever it is I personally never worried about it too much as I got over it so quickly.

You have received a lot of great advice and guidance already, you are in good hands. As noted already in the thread It should be emphasised how important it is to have no thoughts bothering you at the back of your mind when going in, anything that can creep up on you as you experienced lightly with your choice of setting when realising how that situation could go wrong in the worst possible manner creeped up and caused a bit of paranoia. Having those realisations and feeling at the same time as going for a breakthrough experience for example would not a pleasant combo and possibly ruin the experience, especially if not seasoned could be hard to handle and navigate through it.

I felt the need sharing this with you. Hope it will courage you to not give up on your journey in anyway as this could have a simple explanation. As discussed in the thread maybe your medication played a part. In my case I have never used any kinds of medication or pills of any kind just worth noting. Blig-blug suggestion of abrupt fast onset I can relate to and makes sense in my case. Might be combined with poor physical state at the same time or exhaustion. Could be the abrupt fast onset combined with serotonin receptors in the gut as Jamie01 pointed out.

I’m excited for you to start your journey, if you do I’m looking forward to read about it.
Wish you all the best.

Btw if the scale doesn’t register and is unreliable with small amounts, i rather put large quantity of dmt on it and take from it rather than adding to the empty scale.
 
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