I quit. Game over.

[joebono]

I think the best bet for a trip sitter would be someone who is sitting in your living room while you are having your breakthrough in a nearby bedroom with the door closed. That way they can intervene if it becomes necessary, but not have their presence detract or influence or affect the experience.

 

[Jorkest]

you just gotta find the way YOU are comfortable going in..maybe you should try a lower dose right before a bigger dose..it may get you relaxed enough to be able to let go completely

 

[mumbles]

I think the best bet for a trip sitter would be someone who is sitting in your living room while you are having your breakthrough in a nearby bedroom with the door closed. That way they can intervene if it becomes necessary, but not have their presence detract or influence or affect the experience.

As long as they know to not speak until you do they aren't really an intrusion even if they are on the same couch.

 

[joebono]

you just gotta find the way YOU are comfortable going in..maybe you should try a lower dose right before a bigger dose..it may get you relaxed enough to be able to let go completely

Let me understand this. For me non-breakthrough doses have nothing to do with the full DMT experience. I can do non-breakthrough doses all day long and actually be bored. So are there differing levels of breakthrough? Is there a such thing as a calm or breakthrough-lite? If so, maybe I can calibrate a lite breakthrough, if that is possible. The three times that I have been punched through the portal, it was overwhelmingly violent and chaotic, sort of like a space ship crash landing. But maybe I am smoking too much. I'd say my eyeballed doses were in the 70-80mg range in addition to the pool of DMT resin.

 

[mumbles]

It would pay to get some scales that way you can control your dose and get where you want to go. Without scales its all just guesses and you wont be able to find that nice little pre-breakthrough dose that is still crazy, but managable crazy.

 

[ghostman]

The three times that I have been punched through the portal, it was overwhelmingly violent and chaotic, sort of like a space ship crash landing.

Sounds about right

Although you are aiming at flight.

But maybe I am smoking too much. I'd say my eyeballed doses were in the 70-80mg range in addition to the pool of DMT resin.

Definitely does down dude, try 30mg properly dosed and properly vaped. Then go 50mg.

Questions:

Have you tried Changa?
What is your method of smoking?

 

[joebono]

Yes, I have a great milligram scale that I use to measure out my oral doses but since I could never breakthrough in the past when smoking I never used it. You're right though, Mumbles, next time I will be sure to use it.

 

[joebono]

Questions:

Have you tried Changa?
What is your method of smoking?

I have a glass bubbler bowl type device. I finally figured out how to use it properly. No I haven't tried changa yet, but I am familiar with it and plan to soon.

 

[mumbles]

I think this comes down to inconsistent smoking technique since spice can be hard to vaporise and not burn or escape as a gas. Thats why you can have boring trips and oh fuck the ship has crashed type trips. Try infused leaf on an ash bed and measure your doses, 20mg, 30mg, 40mg, and you will notice the differences and find a sweet spot, its all very personalised so yours might be above or below that just start low and experiment.

 

[Jorkest]

hey joebono how did you extract your dmt?? i remember when i first started extracting i would be smoking those whitish crystals and it would be violent explosions of energy...now that i use D_limo to pull...the spice from that solvent is MMMMMMUUUUCCCCCCHHHHH smoother...like so much smoother its like a different drug...instead of that CRAZY transfer from this dimension to another...when you smoke d-limo extracted spice(especially on some good changa...lavender, peppermint, mullein/weed, caapi, harmine and some jimjam)

when you smoke d-limo extracted spice you go from being here to being there without the violent transition..its just kinda like...BAM your there...and the harmine sooths the take off and the come down...and the lavender will soothe you...and the peppermint will soothe your lungs and throat...so i DO know what you mean about how CRAZY the stuff is..but i also think its that PUREish dmt that makes the experience not so enjoyable...also...70-80mg is a bit much....i can easily breakthrough on 30mg now..and have no need or want to smoke 70-80mg

thats just a bit too much....ive done it a few times...but those experiences are like a violent rollercoaster with hyperdrive ON through many lands and many entities.

 

[ghostman]

Questions:

Have you tried Changa?
What is your method of smoking?

I have a glass bubbler bowl type device. I finally figured out how to use it properly. No I haven't tried changa yet, but I am familiar with it and plan to soon.

Changa dude. I am still confounded as to how much the introduction of another leaf or herb can change the personality of DMT.

Electric Sheep - I can really really recommend - for a Rock 'n Roll cosmigasm of infinite sexy proportions. It's totally mind-blowing and very playful.

Ayahuasca Android - This mother is very good, very healing and is more lesson oriented than sexy.

Changa will change things for you.

 

[WSaged]

hey joebono how did you extract your dmt?? i remember when i first started extracting i would be smoking those whitish crystals and it would be violent explosions of energy...now that i use D_limo to pull...the spice from that solvent is MMMMMMUUUUCCCCCCHHHHH smoother...like so much smoother its like a different drug...instead of that CRAZY transfer from this dimension to another...when you smoke d-limo extracted spice
.

Not for me, I prefer mine to be as pure as possible, clear glass shards if I have the time to grow em.
The stuff I extracted with D-Limo, seems like a less involved experience. As in I not part of the experience, just watching from inside a kind of bubble. And nothing is defined, like there is a kind of haze covering everything.

However, when I smoke clean, pure DMT, I am 100% involved, I am the experience, but I am also observing it!!
It's more of a geometric space, in fact it usually starts out with me closing my eyes & I'm in this vast dark space, there is this geometric shape, like a Merkaba, or a Tesseract in the upper right corner of my visual field (always in that same place) & it is folding in on itself & refolding over & over. It gets faster & faster & starts to fold so fast & in so many directions that it appears to be spinning!!
Then the colors start & then comes the heavy.


Jimjam & dirtier spice is a fun ride, but pure spice is something tangible & clear to me!!



WS

 

[Ice House]

Caught up in the beauty of it all you didn't notice, but the stage was set for this episode.

I'd say my eyeballed doses were in the 70-80mg range in addition to the pool of DMT resin.

But maybe I am smoking too much.

Many of us have gone down this path before and have had very similar experiences. 70-80mg vaped spice is allot joe, for anyone even for those who have been vaping a looong time. 30mg will prolly produce for you a very intense experience. When the time is rite again, you'll know. Start off with 20mg and work up slowly. Take time to mentally digest. Dont rush back into it.

A wise psychonaut once said to me after a couple weeks of regular voyaging and a similar bad episode,

take it easy and be careful, "its not mushroom crack"



take it easy, learn.

L&G

 

[Ayawasqero]

I quit. Game over. I can’t smoke this stuff. What just happened to me is not normal. All of the mushrooms, pharmahuasca, cactus, salvia ,and LSA seeds could not have prepared me for the utter insanity and panic that I just experienced. You have got to be fucking kidding me, a smoked breakthrough bears no resemblance, no relation, no similarities, NOTHING to any other psychedelic drug. It is playing with the gods and they like to fuck around. There is no theme, no prior example to prepare yourself, nothing you can do to get ready for the complete lunatic curveball that this shit hurls.

All I know is that I was in the bedroom yelling to make it stop, that it wasn’t right, that it wasn’t normal. I think I was screaming. Oh God, the neighbors must think I am a crazy asshole – and what if they were to call the police? I was grasping and begging to get myself back. It was terrifying. I left the room and walked into the kitchen and here the whole fucking place became electrified with crazy colors and everything in front of me looked as if some nutjob artist went ballistic. And it wouldn’t stop, everything just became alive with energy and power and life. These visuals were like NOTHING I have ever witnessed – just pulsating violently. I was completely and totally immersed in between these two worlds. It was a Roger Rabbit cartoon land. Yes it was unspeakably and stunningly beautiful, but my full blown panic and fear that I really did brain damage this time destroyed me.

While it is happening it takes on the significance of the birthing process. Imagine you could remember the moment you were born and the importance and gravity of that event is the seriousness of DMT. Fuck this. My mind can’t handle that shit. I am throwing in the towel. You win.

Makes me wanna extract my own dmt. Thanks for sharing.

Guidance and protection!

 

[WSaged]

A wise psychonaut once said to me after a couple weeks of regular voyaging and a similar bad episode,
take it easy and be careful, "its not mushroom crack"

HAHA!!

That's great!

WS

 

[acolon_5]

A simple question: What was your dosage?

I didn't see (and just might have missed) what your dose was. To me it sounds like a massive OD...when I smoke above 70mgs things go haywire, complete insanity.

If you "eyeballed" it, there is no telling how much you smoked...

The right dosage makes the difference between not even being able to see what is going on in hyperspace and immence beauty, love, and extacy.

 

[polytrip]

A simple question: What was your dosage?

I didn't see (and just might have missed) what your dose was. To me it sounds like a massive OD...when I smoke above 70mgs things go haywire, complete insanity.

If you "eyeballed" it, there is no telling how much you smoked...

The right dosage makes the difference between not even being able to see what is going on in hyperspace and immence beauty, love, and extacy.

This is true. At a certain point, a very tiny amount more can make a lot of difference.

Besides this, sometimes ANY substance can just hit you harder than normally would be the case because of something you ate, lack of sleep or unknown reasons.

This is probably true for DMT as well.

There is no guarantee with psychedelic's, that you will always have an 'easy ride'.

So that means that you should never take something when you're not ready to totally surrender. If there is anything that's holding you down, whatever it is; your parrot died, feeling sick or tired, a job interview tomorrow...Just skip it this time.

 

[joebono]

@Jorkest - I smoked about 70-80mg of whitish DMT from STB on top of a deep pool of resin. Yes, the dosage was probably my main issue.


@Icehouse - You're right about the "mushroom crack" comment. I do need more time integrate before diving back in again. I was just looking for a positive experience since my first two breakthroughs were too epic to enjoy.

 

[GreenD]

I quit. Game over. I can’t smoke this stuff. What just happened to me is not normal. All of the mushrooms, pharmahuasca, cactus, salvia ,and LSA seeds could not have prepared me for the utter insanity and panic that I just experienced. You have got to be fucking kidding me, a smoked breakthrough bears no resemblance, no relation, no similarities, NOTHING to any other psychedelic drug. It is playing with the gods and they like to fuck around. There is no theme, no prior example to prepare yourself, nothing you can do to get ready for the complete lunatic curveball that this shit hurls.

All I know is that I was in the bedroom yelling to make it stop, that it wasn’t right, that it wasn’t normal. I think I was screaming. Oh God, the neighbors must think I am a crazy asshole – and what if they were to call the police? I was grasping and begging to get myself back. It was terrifying. I left the room and walked into the kitchen and here the whole fucking place became electrified with crazy colors and everything in front of me looked as if some nutjob artist went ballistic. And it wouldn’t stop, everything just became alive with energy and power and life. These visuals were like NOTHING I have ever witnessed – just pulsating violently. I was completely and totally immersed in between these two worlds. It was a Roger Rabbit cartoon land. Yes it was unspeakably and stunningly beautiful, but my full blown panic and fear that I really did brain damage this time destroyed me.

While it is happening it takes on the significance of the birthing process. Imagine you could remember the moment you were born and the importance and gravity of that event is the seriousness of DMT. Fuck this. My mind can’t handle that shit. I am throwing in the towel. You win.

I gave a friend DMT and his experience was identicle to yours. He said "What the fuck did you do to me" At first I felt sheer guilt, then I realized, oh yeah... this is DMT.

You just have to jump off the bridge man, it's going to have the most mind bending - extreme reality warping possibilities, but you're going to land fine. Once you can go back and speak to the gods, and want to speak to them, you may learn.

 

[elphologist1]

All I know is that I was in the bedroom yelling to make it stop, that it wasn’t right, that it wasn’t normal. I think I was screaming. Oh God, the neighbors must think I am a crazy asshole – and what if they were to call the police?

This is one of the factors I've considered since my "bad trip" about a month ago, as I've done more research. I know I totally lost touch with this reality. I don't think I was yelling, but certainly that's been known to happen to people who have no contact with this reality (even Dr. Strassman mentions it happening with one of his subjects). I live in an apartment, so that would be very bad. The next factor on the list, which I see you mention too in a later message, is the "sleepwalking" aspect. When I first came down from my DMT trip on January 6th, I didn't know where I was or why. And yet I was so shaken that I felt I needed to get up and walk around to try to get back to normal. That could be a dangerous situation as well (without a trip sitter, which I don't have since none of my friends IRL know the details of my psychedelics use). The third factor I have considered is that I don't seem to bring much of practical value back from my smoked DMT trips. Granted, I've only had a handful. But despite experiences deeper than I normally get on mushrooms, I feel I gained little in the way of personal insights. Personal insights are my primary reason for taking psychedelics, with a distant second being to enjoy the experience.

Granted, panic and "sleepwalking" could happen on other psychedelics as well. Ten years ago, I did experience panic when an LSA trip continued to have more and more "mindfuck" and was not ending when I expected it to. But I was not close to yelling, and doubt that I would have been a danger to myself unless perhaps I tried to get help. In the past 3 1/2 years, I've done mushrooms about a dozen times total. Despite consuming up to 4g dried, I've never had a situation where I was unaware of my reality and having taken the drug. Not to say it could never happen, but I don't think its nearly as likely as with smoked DMT.

Everyone has their own reasons for taking psychedelics. For my personal reasons, it seems smoked DMT has significantly more dangers and fewer benefits than other psychedelics. While I haven't 100% ruled it out, I doubt I will smoke it again anytime soon.

elphologist